Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: tevors on 22 Feb 2007 12:58 In article <1172116553.714713.196110(a)t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, Tim Kreitz <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Feb 21, 9:47 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" ><xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i >> NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and >> don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > >What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a >few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance >systems create: >[ ... ] In Albuquerque, NM, where I live, people are regularly ticketed for not *clearing* the interesection by Red. If you make it into the intersection on yellow or even green, you never know if it'll ticket you if you can't get out of the intersection if it turns red first. People here are concerned and try to stop if there's any question. Rear-end accidents have increased as a result. The bigger concern is though, that our camera's also ticket for speeding and the burden of proof is on the driver to prove that you weren't. If you get a speeding ticket, I don't know how you could possibly prove to the court that you weren't speeding, particularly if you get the notice a month or two after the event. I've gone through intersections when no one was speeding (green light) and the flash has gone off. I now try my best to avoid intersections with cameras and usually have to go well out of my way to do it. Tevors
From: Spline on 22 Feb 2007 13:47 In article <1172130059.186506.8010(a)p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, <SurrogateMcCoy(a)aol.com> wrote: > >Forgive me for being a little confused, I grew up behind the "Iron >Curtain", but is this the so called "Free World"? > >http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ Sorry Borka, there's no such thing as a "free world" except in the minds of the gulible. Many countries try to convince the citizens that they live in *freedom* and *liberty*, and there are always some silly people that believe their government's propaganda.
From: Bill on 22 Feb 2007 14:50 "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns98DED37715599riemann1850yahoocom(a)207.217.125.201... > "Doc" <docsavage20(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:1172104813.013364.273130 > @h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > >> The issue of red-light cams has come up in Florida. An article in >> today's paper doesn't seem to indicate that there's any method to >> prove that the light was actually red when the car went through the >> intersection - such as a second photo showing your vehicle in the >> intersection and the light. >> >> In states where these systems are in place, do they include any such >> evidence to verify the red light or is it simply assumed that the >> system is perfect, that the photo of your plate was taken properly and >> that of course you were in violation? >> > > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and > don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > I received a red light camera ticket in the mail yesterday. The car was in the shop at the time, so obviously I wasn't the driver. But the city ordinance makes me financially responsible as the owner, regardless. I'll probably get the $75 out of the repair shop, but even if I do I have to waste the time. And if they won't pay, I'm screwed. Now tell me this is about safety and not revenue. - B
From: Matthew T. Russotto on 22 Feb 2007 15:27 In article <544b92F1uv9lgU4(a)mid.individual.net>, brink <brink(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates >between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on >red) from illegal movements. Anyone? Ticket 'em all and don't bother to sort them out. If too many people complain, a "no right turn on red" sign solves the problem. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
From: k_flynn on 22 Feb 2007 15:36
tevors wrote: > In article <1172116553.714713.196110(a)t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, > Tim Kreitz <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Feb 21, 9:47 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > ><xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i > >> NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and > >> don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > > > >What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a > >few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance > >systems create: > >[ ... ] > > In Albuquerque, NM, where I live, people are regularly > ticketed for not *clearing* the interesection by Red. > If you make it into the intersection on yellow or even > green, you never know if it'll ticket you if you can't > get out of the intersection if it turns red first. > People here are concerned and try to stop if there's > any question. Rear-end accidents have increased as > a result. It is not illegal in NM to be in the intersection when the signal goes from yellow to red, as long as you are clearing the intersection; why is the system set up to ticket those people? Do you have a cite for this practice? NMS 66-7-105 says steady yellow following green means "vehicular traffic facing the signal is warned that the red signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and the vehicular traffic shall not enter the intersection when the red signal is exhibited..." |