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From: don (Calgary) on 1 Jun 2010 19:23 On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On 1 June, 13:39, "S'mee" <stevenkei...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >Yes, they will. The regulators will inevitably take some >> > >responsibility, and the spotlight will inevitably fall on them >> > >*because that is what always happens*.- Hide quoted text - >> >> Well the us government and it's regulators for one...they are taking >> quiet a bit of blame. > >Yup. And they'll cop more. *Because that is what always happens*. >Hell, if *you* can understand it.... ;-) Well just today the government kick started a criminal investigation and I am quite confident the will be looking at BP. A couple of quotes from the afternoon news broadcast: "The executives of BP remind me of that Texan saying All hat and no cattle" "BP stands for better prosecute" "You can tell when BP is lying, their lips are moving" Hmmmm, not a word in the entire hour about the regulators. Seems you are a little off base again Neil.
From: don (Calgary) on 1 Jun 2010 19:36 On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Calgary >>> The focus of the US media is approximately 65% BP & the spill, 25% US >>> government, 8% miscellaneous impacts and maybe 2% on the regulators. Neil >>So, already, we're more than one-third blaming people other than BP. Now please don't tell me your use of "we're" was referring to you as a part of the mainstream news media. I considered that but immediately dismissed it as comical. Please do not tell me you think a writer for a limited distribution food magazine is on the same level as an international hard news journalist. That one will have real news journalists all over the world in stitches. More to the point I never made mention of blame in my assessment of the media coverage. You are the one who incorrectly made that leap. Seems that old literal clarity bug is biting you in the butt, again.
From: don (Calgary) on 1 Jun 2010 20:08 On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" <stevenkeith2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jun 1, 6:31�am, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 28 May 2010 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil" >> >> >> >> >> >> <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >On 28 May, 14:40, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> It is BP that will be held responsible for this disaster. It is BP >> >> that will have to pay millions/billons in compensation and fines. It >> >> is BP that will be required to clean the mess up and it is the >> >> executives of BP that may face criminal charges. >> >> >> The focus of the US media is approximately 65% BP & the spill, 25% US >> >> government, 8% miscellaneous impacts and maybe 2% on the regulators. >> >> >So, already, we're more than one-third blaming people other than BP. >> >Not arguing that BP will cop the flak, but people *will* be flinging >> >mud at others, and they will be flinging *more* of it, and you can >> >watch the lawsuits rolling in, and they won't just be against BP. P >> >will cop most, but not all. >> >> Once again, free of any of your selective snipping , where did I >> suggest anyone other than BP is being blamed for this disaster? >> >> Or should I just add focus to the many, many words you fail to >> understand. >> >> >> >> >> >> >And then, when the dust has settled, it'll happen again. Somewhere >> >else. Slightly different angle, circumstances, events, whatever, but >> >there'll be another leak, spill, tanker hitting rocks, and the same >> >thing will start all over again. It's the way the world turns. >> >> >> I am sure BP will try to spin the blame on the regulators, >> >> >I think they're doing a very good job of just clamming up and letting >> >the yammerers do that themselves, actually. >> >> >> and I am >> >> also sure the British media will focus on that angle, >> >> >You'd be wrong there, probably. You're projecting your wish- >> >fulfilment, I'm afraid. >> >> >> but the British >> >> Media, and the UK in general, will have zero influence on how this >> >> disaster plays out. >> >> >Of course they will. They'll leave that to the cash-hungry litigants >> >and the even more cash-hungry lawyers. >> >> >> The only thing that will move the focus off BP will be active war >> >> breaking out between North and South Korea. >> >> >Wrong. It'll be relegated to the back pages quicker than you think. >> >It'll pop up again on the fronts from time to time, when a juicy >> >revelation emerges in the post-mortem. >> >> >> All of that said once they have the well capped there will be multi >> >> pronged investigations into this disaster. >> >> >Yes >> >> >>They will probably take >> >> years to sort out. >> >> >Oh yes. Guess who'll benefit? >> >> >Criminal prosecutions are a definite possibility. >> >> >"A definite possibility" LOL. And you think you don't have >> >communication problems :-) �Or did you mean "probably definite"? >> >> >> The specifications and regulatory process will be examined to >> >> determine what could have been done to mitigate the damages. Even >> >> though we tend to eat our young in these self examination processes, >> >> none of the regulator's actions will mitigate BP's responsibilities or >> >> move the focus of the investigations off BP or the US government >> >> >Yes, they will. The regulators will inevitably take some >> >responsibility, and the spotlight will inevitably fall on them >> >*because that is what always happens*.- Hide quoted text - >> > >Well the us government and it's regulators for one...they are taking >quiet a bit of blame. I have been away for the weekend and missed the news coverage, but last night I caught a one hour news special on the topic and there was not one word about the regulators. Certainly their was no "spotlight" on the regulators. Today's news has yet to even mention the regulators. Yes there were critical comments about the government's response to the disaster and their support of the clean up activities, but not about the cause of the disaster. Today the President's rhetoric has taken on a far more muscular tone, noting those responsible will be brought to justice, if any laws were broken. I may have a vision problem, but I just do not see the tough tone from Obama, being directed at the regulators or at his government. The criminal prosecutions will revolve around the circumstances surrounding the loss of control of the well and the death of eleven workers. The civil penalties will revolve around the volume of oil being released into the Gulf. This was all BP and I doubt very much the media will ignore the story or relegate it to the back pages. Sure regulations and specifications will be reviewed to attempt to stop a similar event from happening again. While newsworthy the process will not captivate the nation or be the lead item on the evening news. The government is being criticized for not being more involved in leading the effort to cap the well and directing the clean up activities. None of that mitigates BP's responsibility, nor will it shield BP from their liability. I am not even sure if the criticism is valid, but as I noted earlier we do tend to eat our young, and the government is an easy target. Regardless BP's stock took a nose dive today and will probably continue to fall. BP's cost to date has apparently exceeded one billion dollars and will continue to climb. Do they have the resources to absorb that kind of a loss. Some within the Democratic Party have called for a freezing of BP's assets. I haven't seen a word about seizing the assets of a regulator. BP may become nothing more than a pile of worthless paper before this story ends.
From: Chuck Rhode on 2 Jun 2010 01:05 On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:08:49 +0000, don (Calgary) wrote: > The criminal prosecutions will revolve around the circumstances > surrounding the loss of control of the well and the death of eleven > workers. The civil penalties will revolve around the volume of oil > being released into the Gulf. This was all BP and I doubt very much > the media will ignore the story or relegate it to the back pages. Looks like.... "Shortly before the accident, engineers argued about whether to remove heavy drilling mud that acted as a last defense against such catastrophic kicks, and the decision to replace the mud with much lighter seawater won out." o Hammer, David, and Mark Schleifstein. "Gas Surge Shut Well a Couple of Weeks before Gulf Oil Spill." _Times-Picayune_ 10 May 2010. 1 June 2010 <http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/gas_surge_shut_well_just_weeks.html>. "BP hired a top oilfield service company to test the strength of cement linings on the Deepwater Horizon's well, but sent the firm's workers home 11 hours before the rig exploded April 20 without performing a final check that a top cementing company executive called 'the only test that can really determine the actual effectiveness' of the well's seal." o Hammer, David. "Costly, Time-Consuming Test of Cement Linings in Deepwater Horizon Rig Was Omitted, Spokesman Says." _Times-Picayune_ 19 May 2010. 1 June 2010 <http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/costly_time-consuming_test_of.html>. -- ... Be Seeing You, ... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA ... Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX ... 67° — Wind S 5 mph — Sky haze.
From: The Older Gentleman on 2 Jun 2010 02:16
don (Calgary) <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote: > >>So, already, we're more than one-third blaming people other than BP. > > Now please don't tell me your use of "we're" was referring to you as a > part of the mainstream news media. I wasn't. Nobody else seems to have had any problerm understanding this. > I considered that but immediately > dismissed it as comical. Please do not tell me you think a writer for > a limited distribution food magazine is on the same level as an > international hard news journalist. That one will have real news > journalists all over the world in stitches. International hard news is hard news, no matter what you write about, be it crops or minerals. Like I said, you don't understand the news media *at all*. Your ignorance is breathtaking, in fact. But the ignorance frequently sneer at what they don't understand. Its not the first time you've done it, actually. > > More to the point I never made mention of blame in my assessment of > the media coverage. You are the one who incorrectly made that leap. > Seems that old literal clarity bug is biting you in the butt, again. Extrapolating again. -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com |