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From: Hog on 30 Jun 2010 09:38 Two Dogs wrote: > Are you now claiming there *was* radioactive medical waste in 1945? > If so, you've gone off the reservation and I probably have been > trolled... Well indeedy. History lesson here http://www.cna.ca/curriculum/cna_nuc_tech/cobalt60-eng.asp?bc=Cobalt-60%20Therapy%20Unit&pid=Cobalt-60%20Therapy%20Unit Radium was being used for medical imaging from the 1890's and could be called waste and famously the first instance of Radiotherapy was by Emil Grubbe on a breast cancer in <googles> 1897 but that was using tubes of Radon gas. -- Hog
From: Hog on 30 Jun 2010 09:39 M J Carley wrote: > In the referenced article, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> > writes: >> M J Carley wrote: >>> In the referenced article, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> >>> writes: >>> >>>> See I would call the war in the Pacific against Japan all out >>>> war. Vietnam was a very badly misjudged side show. I think the >>>> respective results speak for themselves. >>> >>> Vietnam was more heavily bombed than Japan was. >> >> What you said ignores the geographic scope of the Pacific war and >> the two Nukes > > The nukes were symbolic heavy bombing: the firebombing of Tokyo killed > far more people. The `conventional' bombing of Vietnam was far worse > than the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings. Thats a bit of a thread drift though -- Hog
From: Richard Bridgman on 30 Jun 2010 09:54 On Jun 30, 8:11 am, Two Dogs <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Jun 29, 5:54 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > >news:e8756de1-7599-4a6f-94fb-90388794eac4(a)y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 28, 5:21 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > > >news:b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6-ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jun 28, 1:05 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Alister" <alister.w...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:xYNVn.30962$U%7.30457(a)hurricane... > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:17:35 -0700, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > >> On 27 June, 19:58, Tosspot <Frank.Le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>> On 27/06/10 19:12, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > >>> > Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you > > > > >>> > started > > > > >>> > off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war > > > > >>> > outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. This brings > > > > >>> > to > > > > >>> > an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving nationalism > > > > >>> > that even made Americans cringe. > > > > > >>> > A video summing up the English limeys world cup. > > > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > > > > >>> > "The English are a nation of cowards" > > > > > >>> Yeah, but we're still 2:0 on World Wars. > > > > > >> The English contribution to WW2(which was laughably) consisted of > > > > >> running away like cowards and diving in to the sea at Dunkirk. Then > > > > >> waiting 4 years while the Americans and Russians won the actual war. > > > > > > The Russians almost certainly won the war which would have been very > > > > > bad > > > > > for the USA if we had not Won the battle of Britain ( which was fought > > > > > before the USA even entered the war). > > > > > There would have been no staging post for the 'D' day landings which > > > > > would almost certainly handed the whole of Europe to the USSR. > > > > > > So far from saving our bacon in truth we saved yours. > > > > > >> 1 on 1 against Germany the English would have been annihilated. > > > > > > Did you check the score line for the Battle or Britain? I though not. > > > > > The Stuka was a shinning example of German efficiency - the only fighter > > > > in > > > > WW2 that needed a fighter escort and every time our lads shot one down > > > > they > > > > got 2 Nazis for the price of one. > > > > > And if the Yanks start on about saving our bacon, remind them that > > > > Hitler > > > > had his boffins working on dirty nukes (the best they could do without > > > > all > > > > their Jewish scientists) and the means to drop them on the USA. > > > > > There were several versions of the "Amerikabomber" on the drawing board > > > > along with plans for a long range booster stage for the V2 rocket. > > > > > And the Yanks weren't doing us any favours, Hitler formally declared war > > > > on > > > > the US a few days after the Japs hit Pearl Harbour - from that point on > > > > we > > > > were basically running up a lend-lease debt to fight their war for them. > > > > Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > > > Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > > > To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > > > working nuclear reactor, > > > > -------------------------- > > > > What a complete and utter load of bollox. > > > > What they were striving for was radioactive material sufficiently refined > > > to bring together something approaching critical mass to produce some > > > degree > > > of chain reaction. > > > Who are "they"? Work stopped in Germany on using any kind of nuclear > > source as a weapon by 1943. Feel free to quote reliable sources to > > prove otherwise. > > > ----------------- > > > The Germans were definately up to something right up to the end of the war. > > > At the time of the German surrender a U-boat was intercepted on its way to > > Japan - apparently there were a few cases of U235 in the cargo. > > Apparently. There are a lot of conspiracy theories around about > Germany and Japan at the end of the War, few of them proven. How about > some facts? > > Tell you what, rather than spending your time googling, why don't > you tell us why Hitler, *if* he had the ability, would use a dirty > bomb on New York rather than London, Moscow, or a military target? > This was the guts of your initial statement, front up. All very well Zwei Hunde, but let's step back even further...are you really implying that it wasn't in the US's best interests to fight the war on the side of the Allies, or do you toe the line that they (US) "bailed us out", presumably just because they were being nice? What do you say to the argument that during the period in which the US was not actively participating, the UK and its allies fought alone and could therefore be considered to have bailed the US out? > Two Dogs Richard Bridgman
From: Two Dogs on 30 Jun 2010 10:23 On Jun 30, 9:54 am, Richard Bridgman <rhb...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 8:11 am, Two Dogs <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 29, 5:54 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > > >news:e8756de1-7599-4a6f-94fb-90388794eac4(a)y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jun 28, 5:21 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6-ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jun 28, 1:05 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Alister" <alister.w...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:xYNVn.30962$U%7.30457(a)hurricane... > > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:17:35 -0700, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > > >> On 27 June, 19:58, Tosspot <Frank.Le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> On 27/06/10 19:12, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > > >>> > Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you > > > > > >>> > started > > > > > >>> > off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war > > > > > >>> > outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. This brings > > > > > >>> > to > > > > > >>> > an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving nationalism > > > > > >>> > that even made Americans cringe. > > > > > > >>> > A video summing up the English limeys world cup. > > > > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > > > > > >>> > "The English are a nation of cowards" > > > > > > >>> Yeah, but we're still 2:0 on World Wars. > > > > > > >> The English contribution to WW2(which was laughably) consisted of > > > > > >> running away like cowards and diving in to the sea at Dunkirk. Then > > > > > >> waiting 4 years while the Americans and Russians won the actual war. > > > > > > > The Russians almost certainly won the war which would have been very > > > > > > bad > > > > > > for the USA if we had not Won the battle of Britain ( which was fought > > > > > > before the USA even entered the war). > > > > > > There would have been no staging post for the 'D' day landings which > > > > > > would almost certainly handed the whole of Europe to the USSR. > > > > > > > So far from saving our bacon in truth we saved yours. > > > > > > >> 1 on 1 against Germany the English would have been annihilated.. > > > > > > > Did you check the score line for the Battle or Britain? I though not. > > > > > > The Stuka was a shinning example of German efficiency - the only fighter > > > > > in > > > > > WW2 that needed a fighter escort and every time our lads shot one down > > > > > they > > > > > got 2 Nazis for the price of one. > > > > > > And if the Yanks start on about saving our bacon, remind them that > > > > > Hitler > > > > > had his boffins working on dirty nukes (the best they could do without > > > > > all > > > > > their Jewish scientists) and the means to drop them on the USA. > > > > > > There were several versions of the "Amerikabomber" on the drawing board > > > > > along with plans for a long range booster stage for the V2 rocket.. > > > > > > And the Yanks weren't doing us any favours, Hitler formally declared war > > > > > on > > > > > the US a few days after the Japs hit Pearl Harbour - from that point on > > > > > we > > > > > were basically running up a lend-lease debt to fight their war for them. > > > > > Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > > > > Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > > > > To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > > > > working nuclear reactor, > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > What a complete and utter load of bollox. > > > > > What they were striving for was radioactive material sufficiently refined > > > > to bring together something approaching critical mass to produce some > > > > degree > > > > of chain reaction. > > > > Who are "they"? Work stopped in Germany on using any kind of nuclear > > > source as a weapon by 1943. Feel free to quote reliable sources to > > > prove otherwise. > > > > ----------------- > > > > The Germans were definately up to something right up to the end of the war. > > > > At the time of the German surrender a U-boat was intercepted on its way to > > > Japan - apparently there were a few cases of U235 in the cargo. > > > Apparently. There are a lot of conspiracy theories around about > > Germany and Japan at the end of the War, few of them proven. How about > > some facts? > > > Tell you what, rather than spending your time googling, why don't > > you tell us why Hitler, *if* he had the ability, would use a dirty > > bomb on New York rather than London, Moscow, or a military target? > > This was the guts of your initial statement, front up. > > All very well Zwei Hunde, but let's step back even further...are you > really implying that it wasn't in the US's best interests to fight the > war on the side of the Allies, or do you toe the line that they (US) > "bailed us out", presumably just because they were being nice? What do > you say to the argument that during the period in which the US was not > actively participating, the UK and its allies fought alone and could > therefore be considered to have bailed the US out? > > > Two Dogs > > Richard Bridgman Not defending the US war effort at all, Tricky Dicky. Just questioning the OP's assertion that the US was all about saving itself in Europe from a dirty nuke that Hitler almost ready and earmarked for New York via a super plane. I like fantasy as much as the next man, but really.... Anyway, shouldn't you be down in Galveston with a pool skimmer? Two Dogs
From: Richard Bridgman on 30 Jun 2010 11:57
On Jun 30, 9:23 am, Two Dogs <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Jun 30, 9:54 am, Richard Bridgman <rhb...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 8:11 am, Two Dogs <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 5:54 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:e8756de1-7599-4a6f-94fb-90388794eac4(a)y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jun 28, 5:21 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6-ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Jun 28, 1:05 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > "Alister" <alister.w...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:xYNVn.30962$U%7.30457(a)hurricane... > > > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:17:35 -0700, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 27 June, 19:58, Tosspot <Frank.Le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>> On 27/06/10 19:12, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you > > > > > > >>> > started > > > > > > >>> > off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war > > > > > > >>> > outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. This brings > > > > > > >>> > to > > > > > > >>> > an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving nationalism > > > > > > >>> > that even made Americans cringe. > > > > > > > >>> > A video summing up the English limeys world cup. > > > > > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > > > > > > >>> > "The English are a nation of cowards" > > > > > > > >>> Yeah, but we're still 2:0 on World Wars. > > > > > > > >> The English contribution to WW2(which was laughably) consisted of > > > > > > >> running away like cowards and diving in to the sea at Dunkirk. Then > > > > > > >> waiting 4 years while the Americans and Russians won the actual war. > > > > > > > > The Russians almost certainly won the war which would have been very > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > for the USA if we had not Won the battle of Britain ( which was fought > > > > > > > before the USA even entered the war). > > > > > > > There would have been no staging post for the 'D' day landings which > > > > > > > would almost certainly handed the whole of Europe to the USSR.. > > > > > > > > So far from saving our bacon in truth we saved yours. > > > > > > > >> 1 on 1 against Germany the English would have been annihilated. > > > > > > > > Did you check the score line for the Battle or Britain? I though not. > > > > > > > The Stuka was a shinning example of German efficiency - the only fighter > > > > > > in > > > > > > WW2 that needed a fighter escort and every time our lads shot one down > > > > > > they > > > > > > got 2 Nazis for the price of one. > > > > > > > And if the Yanks start on about saving our bacon, remind them that > > > > > > Hitler > > > > > > had his boffins working on dirty nukes (the best they could do without > > > > > > all > > > > > > their Jewish scientists) and the means to drop them on the USA. > > > > > > > There were several versions of the "Amerikabomber" on the drawing board > > > > > > along with plans for a long range booster stage for the V2 rocket. > > > > > > > And the Yanks weren't doing us any favours, Hitler formally declared war > > > > > > on > > > > > > the US a few days after the Japs hit Pearl Harbour - from that point on > > > > > > we > > > > > > were basically running up a lend-lease debt to fight their war for them. > > > > > > Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > > > > > Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > > > > > To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > > > > > working nuclear reactor, > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > What a complete and utter load of bollox. > > > > > > What they were striving for was radioactive material sufficiently refined > > > > > to bring together something approaching critical mass to produce some > > > > > degree > > > > > of chain reaction. > > > > > Who are "they"? Work stopped in Germany on using any kind of nuclear > > > > source as a weapon by 1943. Feel free to quote reliable sources to > > > > prove otherwise. > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > The Germans were definately up to something right up to the end of the war. > > > > > At the time of the German surrender a U-boat was intercepted on its way to > > > > Japan - apparently there were a few cases of U235 in the cargo. > > > > Apparently. There are a lot of conspiracy theories around about > > > Germany and Japan at the end of the War, few of them proven. How about > > > some facts? > > > > Tell you what, rather than spending your time googling, why don't > > > you tell us why Hitler, *if* he had the ability, would use a dirty > > > bomb on New York rather than London, Moscow, or a military target? > > > This was the guts of your initial statement, front up. > > > All very well Zwei Hunde, but let's step back even further...are you > > really implying that it wasn't in the US's best interests to fight the > > war on the side of the Allies, or do you toe the line that they (US) > > "bailed us out", presumably just because they were being nice? What do > > you say to the argument that during the period in which the US was not > > actively participating, the UK and its allies fought alone and could > > therefore be considered to have bailed the US out? > > > > Two Dogs > > > Richard Bridgman > > Not defending the US war effort at all, Tricky Dicky. Just > questioning the OP's assertion that the US was all about saving itself > in Europe from a dirty nuke that Hitler almost ready and earmarked for > New York via a super plane. I like fantasy as much as the next man, > but really.... Fair enuff. Although I must tell you he might be on to something. I have an old "Sgt Fury and his howling commandos" comic which clearly shows an evil super-plane created no doubt by the lights of perverted nazi science, piloted by a hapless gerry swine being foiled by a solid, earnest british hero in the "Sky Captain" stylee. > Anyway, shouldn't you be down in Galveston with a pool skimmer? Poor old Galveston. Never exactly a paradise at the best of times, it looked even more forlorn when I was there a few weeks ago for the first time since Hurricane Ike. The place still hasn't recovered properly, and had a depressing run-down feel to it. If that wicked, imperialistic British oil comes its way, it'll be the last straw i would imagine. > Two Dogs Richard Bridgman |