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From: Two Dogs on 29 Jun 2010 15:43 On Jun 29, 1:10 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Alan LeHun" <t...(a)reply.to> wrote in message > > news:MPG.269325986271a9e5989827(a)news.x-privat.org... > > > In article <b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6- > > ecf3dc39f...(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, nzre...(a)verizon.net says... > >> Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > >> Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > >> To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > >> working nuclear reactor, something they didn't have. > > > Not true. A dirty bomb is simply a conventional explosive device > > designed in such a way as to spread radioactive contaminant when it > > detonates. > > That would qualify, but I suspect most potential nuclear terrorists (and the > WW2 Nazis) would be aiming for some sort of chain reaction - it produces a > significant radiation burst and disperses much more radioactive fallout much > further than just conventional explosives under a pile of radioactive > medical waste. Not mention, of course, that there was no radioactive medical waste in 1945......but you knew that Two Dawgs
From: timbochov on 29 Jun 2010 15:47 On Jun 29, 10:12 am, Charlie <nos...(a)all.ta> wrote: > On 29/06/2010 17:43, timbochov wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 3:44 pm, "Beav"<beavis.origi...(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > >> "timbochov"<tuatara...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >>news:a086070f-04af-4140-907a-44dad5fa0491(a)b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> On Jun 27, 11:12 am, Lclawitcx<fosdf...(a)eml.cc> wrote: > >>>> Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you started > >>>> off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war > >>>> outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. > >>>> This brings to an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving > >>>> nationalism that even made Americans cringe. > > >>>> A video summing up the English limeys world > >>>> cup.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > >>>> "The English are a nation of cowards" > > >>>> Quote from Frenchman William the conqueror, after he conquered the > >>>> English. > > >>> Bismark, Adolf Hitler, Hess, Himler, Nazis etc etc. 2 world wars - > >>> started and lost. > > >>> Ugly language - ugly people. > > >> Obviously you've never been there. > > >> -- > >> Beav- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Lived three years in Switzerland, many times to Germany. Highlights > > were beir unt bratwurst. Not much else. Thought Austria was better. > > Sie lebten f r drei Jahre in einem Land und erlernten nie die Sprache. > > Was ist 'beir'. Ich verstehe nicht. M glicherweise bedeuten Sie 'Bier'. > Was ist 'unt'. Ich verstehe Sie noch nicht. Vielleicht bedeuten Sie 'und'.. > > Dieses ist eine Englischsprechende Nachrichtengruppe, dummer Kerl.- Hide quoted text - Verpiss dich, pimmel-kopf.
From: ian field on 29 Jun 2010 16:17 "Two Dogs" <nzrebel(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:56280bea-84f1-48e7-8c51-d308e5cb7930(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 1:03 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:e8756de1-7599-4a6f-94fb-90388794eac4(a)y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 28, 5:21 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > >news:b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6-ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 28, 1:05 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > "Alister" <alister.w...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > >news:xYNVn.30962$U%7.30457(a)hurricane... > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:17:35 -0700, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > >> On 27 June, 19:58, Tosspot <Frank.Le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> On 27/06/10 19:12, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > >>> > Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you > > > >>> > started > > > >>> > off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the > > > >>> > war > > > >>> > outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. This > > > >>> > brings > > > >>> > to > > > >>> > an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving > > > >>> > nationalism > > > >>> > that even made Americans cringe. > > > > >>> > A video summing up the English limeys world cup. > > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > > > >>> > "The English are a nation of cowards" > > > > >>> Yeah, but we're still 2:0 on World Wars. > > > > >> The English contribution to WW2(which was laughably) consisted of > > > >> running away like cowards and diving in to the sea at Dunkirk. Then > > > >> waiting 4 years while the Americans and Russians won the actual > > > >> war. > > > > > The Russians almost certainly won the war which would have been very > > > > bad > > > > for the USA if we had not Won the battle of Britain ( which was > > > > fought > > > > before the USA even entered the war). > > > > There would have been no staging post for the 'D' day landings which > > > > would almost certainly handed the whole of Europe to the USSR. > > > > > So far from saving our bacon in truth we saved yours. > > > > >> 1 on 1 against Germany the English would have been annihilated. > > > > > Did you check the score line for the Battle or Britain? I though > > > > not. > > > > The Stuka was a shinning example of German efficiency - the only > > > fighter > > > in > > > WW2 that needed a fighter escort and every time our lads shot one down > > > they > > > got 2 Nazis for the price of one. > > > > And if the Yanks start on about saving our bacon, remind them that > > > Hitler > > > had his boffins working on dirty nukes (the best they could do without > > > all > > > their Jewish scientists) and the means to drop them on the USA. > > > > There were several versions of the "Amerikabomber" on the drawing > > > board > > > along with plans for a long range booster stage for the V2 rocket. > > > > And the Yanks weren't doing us any favours, Hitler formally declared > > > war > > > on > > > the US a few days after the Japs hit Pearl Harbour - from that point > > > on > > > we > > > were basically running up a lend-lease debt to fight their war for > > > them. > > > Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > > Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > > To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > > working nuclear reactor, > > > -------------------------- > > > What a complete and utter load of bollox. > > > What they were striving for was radioactive material sufficiently > > refined > > to bring together something approaching critical mass to produce some > > degree > > of chain reaction. > > Who are "they"? Work stopped in Germany on using any kind of nuclear > source as a weapon by 1943. Feel free to quote reliable sources to > prove otherwise. > > And when you say "bringing together radioactive material sufficiently > refined to bring about a chain reaction" what are you referring to? > Medical waste FFS? Because they had no working reactor to produce any > other kind of radioactive material, nor were they apparently in any > hurry to make one. The only work in 1945 was, as I said, being done > towards a Civil service power grid, not a weapon, and was nowhere near > any kind of physical result. And the Military was showing little > interest. > > ------------------------- > > So why do you suppose they placed so much vital military importance on > heavy > water (deuterium oxide) production. > > Maybe their troops wanted something more substantial in their water > canteens > eh? Work on a nuclear weapon stopped, as I said, in 1943 when the Norwegian Heavy Water plant was fucked up by saboteurs and bombing. End of story, game over, heavy water had nothing at all to do with production of a dirty bomb in 1945. ---------------------------------- You really don't have a clue. Heavy water production was moved to germany after the Norwegian resistance sabotaged the Norsk Hydro Plant. The NR got another bite at the cherry when the Germans moved remaining heavy water stocks across the lake - they set explosives on the ferry and sank it at the deepest point. The Nazi's would have been happy with any nuke they could get, but having exterminated all their Jewish scientists they probably didn't have the means to produce anything better than a crude dirty device - and as the allies discovered they were still some way off of that.
From: ian field on 29 Jun 2010 16:19 "Two Dogs" <nzrebel(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:05d0b21b-29fb-4c83-9709-4f1532ea6158(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 1:10 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Alan LeHun" <t...(a)reply.to> wrote in message > > news:MPG.269325986271a9e5989827(a)news.x-privat.org... > > > In article <b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6- > > ecf3dc39f...(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, nzre...(a)verizon.net says... > >> Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > >> Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > >> To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > >> working nuclear reactor, something they didn't have. > > > Not true. A dirty bomb is simply a conventional explosive device > > designed in such a way as to spread radioactive contaminant when it > > detonates. > > That would qualify, but I suspect most potential nuclear terrorists (and > the > WW2 Nazis) would be aiming for some sort of chain reaction - it produces a > significant radiation burst and disperses much more radioactive fallout > much > further than just conventional explosives under a pile of radioactive > medical waste. Not mention, of course, that there was no radioactive medical waste in 1945......but you knew that Two Dawg Of course not - radiation didn't exist until the Americans invented it.
From: ian field on 29 Jun 2010 17:38
"des in all probability sticking around for another two months" <des(a)des.com> wrote in message news:4c294a20$1(a)news.x-privat.org... > On 29-06-2010, Two Dogs <nzrebel(a)verizon.net> wrote: > >> The reason the the US was in Europe wasn't to save jolly old >> England > > Which is just as well, really, as you didn't 'save jolly old England'. > The > Russians did. The Russians certainly paid the highest price for the defeat of Naziism, but their commander in chief was well known for making bad descisions, mainly throwing in sheer numbers of mass suicide squads to numerically overwhelm the enemy. On the ground their winterised weapons were better and more reliable than the over engineered German equipment. In the air, performance was reduced by shoddy finish on the aircraft (one or two officials got arrested and charged with sabotage because of it). Bad tactics again caused heavy losses along with the high command's refusal to learn from the experience of front line pilots. |