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From: ian field on 29 Jun 2010 13:10 "Alan LeHun" <try(a)reply.to> wrote in message news:MPG.269325986271a9e5989827(a)news.x-privat.org... > In article <b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6- > ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, nzrebel(a)verizon.net says... >> Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading >> Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. >> >> To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a >> working nuclear reactor, something they didn't have. >> > > Not true. A dirty bomb is simply a conventional explosive device > designed in such a way as to spread radioactive contaminant when it > detonates. That would qualify, but I suspect most potential nuclear terrorists (and the WW2 Nazis) would be aiming for some sort of chain reaction - it produces a significant radiation burst and disperses much more radioactive fallout much further than just conventional explosives under a pile of radioactive medical waste.
From: Charlie on 29 Jun 2010 13:12 On 29/06/2010 17:43, timbochov wrote: > On Jun 28, 3:44 pm, "Beav"<beavis.origi...(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: >> "timbochov"<tuatara...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:a086070f-04af-4140-907a-44dad5fa0491(a)b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 11:12 am, Lclawitcx<fosdf...(a)eml.cc> wrote: >>>> Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you started >>>> off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war >>>> outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. >>>> This brings to an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving >>>> nationalism that even made Americans cringe. >> >>>> A video summing up the English limeys world >>>> cup.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 >> >>>> "The English are a nation of cowards" >> >>>> Quote from Frenchman William the conqueror, after he conquered the >>>> English. >> >>> Bismark, Adolf Hitler, Hess, Himler, Nazis etc etc. 2 world wars - >>> started and lost. >> >>> Ugly language - ugly people. >> >> Obviously you've never been there. >> >> -- >> Beav- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Lived three years in Switzerland, many times to Germany. Highlights > were beir unt bratwurst. Not much else. Thought Austria was better. Sie lebten f�r drei Jahre in einem Land und erlernten nie die Sprache. Was ist 'beir'. Ich verstehe nicht. M�glicherweise bedeuten Sie 'Bier'. Was ist 'unt'. Ich verstehe Sie noch nicht. Vielleicht bedeuten Sie 'und'. Dieses ist eine Englischsprechende Nachrichtengruppe, dummer Kerl.
From: Grimly Curmudgeon on 29 Jun 2010 13:46 We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> saying something like: >You think? Name another war where a conventional army won a genuine >victory against a guerilla resistance? It usually involves the 'conventional' army adopting guerilla approaches. Malaya. FFL in Indo-China.
From: Hog on 29 Jun 2010 14:28 ian field <gangprobing.alien(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Alan LeHun" <try(a)reply.to> wrote in message > news:MPG.269325986271a9e5989827(a)news.x-privat.org... >> In article <b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6- >> ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, nzrebel(a)verizon.net >> says... >>> Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading >>> Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. >>> >>> To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through >>> a working nuclear reactor, something they didn't have. >>> >> >> Not true. A dirty bomb is simply a conventional explosive device >> designed in such a way as to spread radioactive contaminant when it >> detonates. > > That would qualify, but I suspect most potential nuclear terrorists > (and the WW2 Nazis) would be aiming for some sort of chain reaction - > it produces a significant radiation burst and disperses much more > radioactive fallout much further than just conventional explosives > under a pile of radioactive medical waste. Erm, thats wrong. Just producing a criticality doesn't produce more radioactive material. OK you might neutron activate a few more atoms but nothing on any real scale. Nor does a criticality disperse material where, for instance, you have two cast slugs of uranium or plutonium. An ideal dirty bomb would use Pu or Uranium in a 100+ mesh powder, probably mixed with another bulk agent, wrapped around a high explosive core, in itself a shaped charge depending on the intended deployment. If you want to deny public access to a usefully wide area it will have to be an air burst or detonation from the top edge of a very high building. One might consider a fuel/air explosion at altitude as a very effective dispersal weapon, if one was so inclined. -- Hog
From: Two Dogs on 29 Jun 2010 15:42
On Jun 29, 1:03 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:e8756de1-7599-4a6f-94fb-90388794eac4(a)y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 28, 5:21 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > > > > "Two Dogs" <nzre...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > > >news:b7c08416-77da-428c-a6d6-ecf3dc39facb(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jun 28, 1:05 pm, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...(a)ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > "Alister" <alister.w...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > >news:xYNVn.30962$U%7.30457(a)hurricane... > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:17:35 -0700, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > >> On 27 June, 19:58, Tosspot <Frank.Le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> On 27/06/10 19:12, Lclawitcx wrote: > > > > >>> > Oh dear, we destroyed you English racists. Thousands of you > > > >>> > started > > > >>> > off spouting your xenopobic chants about black people and the war > > > >>> > outside the stadium, then it finished with you crying. This brings > > > >>> > to > > > >>> > an end the months of embarrassing English flag waving nationalism > > > >>> > that even made Americans cringe. > > > > >>> > A video summing up the English limeys world cup. > > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kvpm_bTk4 > > > > >>> > "The English are a nation of cowards" > > > > >>> Yeah, but we're still 2:0 on World Wars. > > > > >> The English contribution to WW2(which was laughably) consisted of > > > >> running away like cowards and diving in to the sea at Dunkirk. Then > > > >> waiting 4 years while the Americans and Russians won the actual war. > > > > > The Russians almost certainly won the war which would have been very > > > > bad > > > > for the USA if we had not Won the battle of Britain ( which was fought > > > > before the USA even entered the war). > > > > There would have been no staging post for the 'D' day landings which > > > > would almost certainly handed the whole of Europe to the USSR. > > > > > So far from saving our bacon in truth we saved yours. > > > > >> 1 on 1 against Germany the English would have been annihilated. > > > > > Did you check the score line for the Battle or Britain? I though not. > > > > The Stuka was a shinning example of German efficiency - the only fighter > > > in > > > WW2 that needed a fighter escort and every time our lads shot one down > > > they > > > got 2 Nazis for the price of one. > > > > And if the Yanks start on about saving our bacon, remind them that > > > Hitler > > > had his boffins working on dirty nukes (the best they could do without > > > all > > > their Jewish scientists) and the means to drop them on the USA. > > > > There were several versions of the "Amerikabomber" on the drawing board > > > along with plans for a long range booster stage for the V2 rocket. > > > > And the Yanks weren't doing us any favours, Hitler formally declared war > > > on > > > the US a few days after the Japs hit Pearl Harbour - from that point on > > > we > > > were basically running up a lend-lease debt to fight their war for them. > > > Oh dear Ian, get your facts from war comics, do you? Or from reading > > Rainer Karlsh? Next you'll be quoting from the Hitler Dairies. > > > To have a dirty bomb you need material that has been passed through a > > working nuclear reactor, > > > -------------------------- > > > What a complete and utter load of bollox. > > > What they were striving for was radioactive material sufficiently refined > > to bring together something approaching critical mass to produce some > > degree > > of chain reaction. > > Who are "they"? Work stopped in Germany on using any kind of nuclear > source as a weapon by 1943. Feel free to quote reliable sources to > prove otherwise. > > And when you say "bringing together radioactive material sufficiently > refined to bring about a chain reaction" what are you referring to? > Medical waste FFS? Because they had no working reactor to produce any > other kind of radioactive material, nor were they apparently in any > hurry to make one. The only work in 1945 was, as I said, being done > towards a Civil service power grid, not a weapon, and was nowhere near > any kind of physical result. And the Military was showing little > interest. > > ------------------------- > > So why do you suppose they placed so much vital military importance on heavy > water (deuterium oxide) production. > > Maybe their troops wanted something more substantial in their water canteens > eh? Work on a nuclear weapon stopped, as I said, in 1943 when the Norwegian Heavy Water plant was fucked up by saboteurs and bombing. End of story, game over, heavy water had nothing at all to do with production of a dirty bomb in 1945. Give it up. Two Dogs |