Krauthammer on Obama-care. the coming VAT, etc
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From: saddlebag on 31 Mar 2010 21:23 On Mar 31, 7:16 pm, "Vito" <v...(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote: > "saddlebag" <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote > [ Look, the man is not perfect, but given the amount of resistance to > [ anything he tries to do, I think he's done a pretty exceptional job. > > I think he has extended Bush's worse mistakes and made his own. > His only grace is that he will make Bush the second worst president in > history. > > > But he has fathered a massive entitlement program with Nancy Pelosy. > > [ Preventing the insurance industry from acting as a robber baron is not > [ an entitlement, it's good law. > > But the bill's he signed didn't do that. They force people who don't need > insurance to buy it, a windfall for the "robber barons". Everyone needs health insurance unless they are independently wealthy or will agree to commit suicide if they become sick or injured. > That's why Drug, > hospital and insurance co stocks went up. Bank stocks were very high prior to people discovering reality too. > I just saw a estimate that prices > for young folks health insurance is going to go up 17% next year, thanks to > the new law. It also requires employers to report the value of employee > health insurance to IRS on your W2. Care to guess why or what's next? I expect they will tax it like any other income. They should. Personally, I think income tax is a crock; taxes should be levied on sales not income. That eliminates govt's ability to gain power by doling out tax breaks. But anyway, since we must pay income tax, it ought to at least be paid equitably on ALL income.
From: 83LowRider on 31 Mar 2010 22:23 "saddlebag" The last United Healthcare guy that retired got a billion dollar pension. I recall reading that something like one out of every nine dollars spent on healthcare in the USA went in his pocket. No need for healthcare reform, really? ------- I'd like to see that.. I was told that was total myth. Got any facts?
From: saddlebag on 1 Apr 2010 06:01 On Mar 31, 10:23 pm, "83LowRider" <a...(a)ddresswilldo.com> wrote: > "saddlebag" > > The last United Healthcare guy that retired got a billion dollar > pension. I recall reading that something like one out of every nine > dollars spent on healthcare in the USA went in his pocket. > > No need for healthcare reform, really? > ------- > I'd like to see that.. I was told that was total myth. > Got any facts? Not that I expect it will change your mind any but: http://www.forbes.com/static/pvp2005/LIRRI3M.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/business/07options.html?_r=1
From: saddlebag on 1 Apr 2010 06:03 On Mar 31, 10:35 pm, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:23:14 -0400, "83LowRider" > > <a...(a)ddresswilldo.com> wrote: > > >"saddlebag" > > >The last United Healthcare guy that retired got a billion dollar > >pension. I recall reading that something like one out of every nine > >dollars spent on healthcare in the USA went in his pocket. > > >No need for healthcare reform, really? > >------- > >I'd like to see that.. I was told that was total myth. > >Got any facts? > > Apparently he's math-challenged, among othe things. > > Health care is a multi-trillion dollar / year industry. He > thinks 3 trillion / 9 = 1 billion. Please cite the source for Americans paying $3 trillion into healthcare insurance annually.
From: Vito on 1 Apr 2010 07:24
"saddlebag" <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote [ Everyone needs health insurance unless they are independently wealthy [ or will agree to commit suicide if they become sick or injured. No, everybody does not. I didn't spend $1000 total on health care until I reached 60. [ I expect they will tax it like any other income. .... So we can expect a sizable tax increase instead of fixing health care??. |