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From: Vito on 2 Nov 2009 08:08 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote | > Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large | > dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd work | > just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but capsaicin is a | > pretty effective deterrent. | | However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as for a | gun, so you may as well carry the gun. | I've heard hornet spray recommended - the kind that shoots a stream 20 feet and sticks. Prolly wouldn't get one arrested just for having it but I'll stick with a pistol.
From: Doug Payne on 2 Nov 2009 08:15 J. Clarke wrote: > Doug Payne wrote: >> MikeWhy wrote: >> >>> Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If >>> you're not experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size >>> and ferocity, a close contact weapon isn't a good choice. Leave the >>> knife at home. Ditto for street bums and muggers. For the >>> wilderness, a road flare in a jacket pocket is probably your best >>> bet. >> Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large >> dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd work >> just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but capsaicin is a >> pretty effective deterrent. > > However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as for a > gun, so you may as well carry the gun. Not in my area. It's perfectly legal to walk around in the woods carrying bear spray. Carry a gun and get caught and you'll need the bear spray for a whole new set of predators.
From: J. Clarke on 2 Nov 2009 08:44 Doug Payne wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: >> Doug Payne wrote: >>> MikeWhy wrote: >>> >>>> Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If >>>> you're not experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size >>>> and ferocity, a close contact weapon isn't a good choice. Leave the >>>> knife at home. Ditto for street bums and muggers. For the >>>> wilderness, a road flare in a jacket pocket is probably your best >>>> bet. >>> Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large >>> dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd >>> work just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but >>> capsaicin is a pretty effective deterrent. >> >> However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as >> for a gun, so you may as well carry the gun. > > Not in my area. It's perfectly legal to walk around in the woods > carrying bear spray. Carry a gun and get caught and you'll need the > bear spray for a whole new set of predators. You really need to check the statutes wherever you are going to be. Bear in mind that in Morton Grove, IL, it is unlawful to own a handgun, while in Kennesaw, Georgia, it is unlawful to _not_ own one. And in Canada it gets even weirder--one can own bear spray in a big can but not chemically identical people spray in a small can. But if you're going to carry bear spray in Canada then buy it there--it's more hassle than it's worth to get it across the border--it's one of the specific questions you get asked when you cross the border.
From: Datesfat Chicks on 2 Nov 2009 10:05 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:hclssh02sp5(a)news6.newsguy.com... >> >> Now after reading Datesfat and Mr. Clarke's comments above I wonder >> why, if coyotes can bring down their own elk instead of scrounging >> from wolves, they didn't get a pack together and do that... maybe the >> problem was that all the Yellowstone elk herds were in wolf >> territory(?) > > Yep. Coyotes don't thrive in wolf territory and red foxes don't thrive in > coyote territory. There is another possible partial answer. I suspect that coyotes won't choose the fittest elk to go after. There may be a limit to the physical fitness of elk they can handle. Because wolves are bigger, they may be able to prey on an elk that is fitter than what the coyotes can prey on. It may be that the wolves effectively remove the easy prey that the coyotes can handle, leaving no weak elks for the coyotes. In other words, if coyotes can prey on "3's" and below and wolves can prey on "5's" and below, the wolves preying on 5's and below will also remove the 3's and below. No weak elk left for the coyotes. Just a random thought coming from someone who knows nothing about nature. Datesfat.
From: MikeWhy on 2 Nov 2009 11:33
"Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chicks(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:29ydna7mFo8MaXPXnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:hclssh02sp5(a)news6.newsguy.com... >>> >>> Now after reading Datesfat and Mr. Clarke's comments above I wonder >>> why, if coyotes can bring down their own elk instead of scrounging >>> from wolves, they didn't get a pack together and do that... maybe the >>> problem was that all the Yellowstone elk herds were in wolf >>> territory(?) >> >> Yep. Coyotes don't thrive in wolf territory and red foxes don't thrive >> in >> coyote territory. > > There is another possible partial answer. > > I suspect that coyotes won't choose the fittest elk to go after. There > may be a limit to the physical fitness of elk they can handle. > > Because wolves are bigger, they may be able to prey on an elk that is > fitter than what the coyotes can prey on. > > It may be that the wolves effectively remove the easy prey that the > coyotes can handle, leaving no weak elks for the coyotes. > > In other words, if coyotes can prey on "3's" and below and wolves can prey > on "5's" and below, the wolves preying on 5's and below will also remove > the 3's and below. No weak elk left for the coyotes. > > Just a random thought coming from someone who knows nothing about nature. I was one anecdote about one coyote. Sheesh. |