From: MikeWhy on
"MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
> "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chicks(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:29ydna7mFo8MaXPXnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:hclssh02sp5(a)news6.newsguy.com...
>>>>
>>>> Now after reading Datesfat and Mr. Clarke's comments above I wonder
>>>> why, if coyotes can bring down their own elk instead of scrounging
>>>> from wolves, they didn't get a pack together and do that... maybe the
>>>> problem was that all the Yellowstone elk herds were in wolf
>>>> territory(?)
>>>
>>> Yep. Coyotes don't thrive in wolf territory and red foxes don't thrive
>>> in
>>> coyote territory.
>>
>> There is another possible partial answer.
>>
>> I suspect that coyotes won't choose the fittest elk to go after. There
>> may be a limit to the physical fitness of elk they can handle.
>>
>> Because wolves are bigger, they may be able to prey on an elk that is
>> fitter than what the coyotes can prey on.
>>
>> It may be that the wolves effectively remove the easy prey that the
>> coyotes can handle, leaving no weak elks for the coyotes.
>>
>> In other words, if coyotes can prey on "3's" and below and wolves can
>> prey on "5's" and below, the wolves preying on 5's and below will also
>> remove the 3's and below. No weak elk left for the coyotes.
>>
>> Just a random thought coming from someone who knows nothing about nature.
>
> I was one anecdote about one coyote. Sheesh.

It...

From: The Older Gentleman on
Leszek Karlik <leslie(a)hell.pl> wrote:

> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,

It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
language?


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From: Leszek Karlik on
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:51:23 +0100, The Older Gentleman
<totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[...]
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh?

And tasers, and telescopic batons. I have to leave all my fun toys behind
when visiting Ye Olde England, the only thing I'm still allowed to have
on my person is a flashlight with a striking crown. Which isn't really that
useful against three pikey guys who want my wallet.

> Whatever next: harsh language?

Probably. Lie down on the floor and remain calm, CCTV will record
the assault for the purposes of an administrative review at a later time.

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From: Sean_Q_ on
The Older Gentleman wrote:
> I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now.

That took a while, didn't it? In Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Victorian era
story _The Adventure of the Empty House_ (pub 1905), a Colonel Moran
assassinates the Honorable Ronald Adair with an air gun through
a glass window. I'm not a gun nut-- er, ballistics expert, but if that's
at all feasible they can be lethal weapons.

SQ
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on
On Nov 1, 5:02 pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hcl31h$hhh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If you're not
> > experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and ferocity, a
> > close contact weapon isn't a good choice.
>
> Wikipedia says this:
>
> Coyotes typically grow up to 75–87 centimeters (30–34 inches) in length, not
> counting a tail of 30-40 cm (12-16 in), stand about 58-66 cm (23-26 in) at
> the shoulder and, on average, weigh from 7–21 kilograms (15–46
> pounds).[5][10] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern
> subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74¾ pounds (33.7 kg)
> and measuring over five feet in total length.[11]
>
> I did not know they were that large. I was thinking smaller.
>
> A few of those in the 40-lb range could mess up your whole day.

That's interesting. The local ones are the smaller
variety and I'd be more worried about rabies than
anything else. Prior to this, I never knew that a
larger northern variety existed.

In an unexpected encounter, I'd definitely pick a long
stick in preference to a knife. The smaller local ones
I'd expect to be able to drive off pretty easily, but a
40-70 lb. critter, I'm not so sure.