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From: Champ on 12 Nov 2009 07:46 On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:52:14 GMT, JeremyR <jeremy.robinsonNOSPAM(a)ul,ie> wrote: >Forgotten Victory: The First World War: Myths and Realities (Paperback) >by Gary Sheffield (Author) > >Takes a slightly different look at it and tries to point out it was a >genuine victory and not the catastrophic loss the war poets and >blackadder and co would have you believe. Well, it may have been a 'genuine victory', but at the loss of 750,000 British servicemen, which surely tempers the victory somewhat? -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: Champ on 12 Nov 2009 07:48 On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:59:50 +0000, Pete Fisher <Peter(a)ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>You've probably already read it, but (most of) Birdsong is quite good. >> >>Yep, I have read it, and liked it quite a lot. The first half is >>better than the second, mind. >You meant the rumpy-pumpy half. <bristles> Just cos the rumpy-pumpy is in the first half, that's not why I prefer it! -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: Pip on 12 Nov 2009 07:57 In article <MPG.256600c933f32007989b72(a)news.eternal-september.org>, ogden says... > > Champ wrote: > > >Download a hooky copy of Oh What A Lovely War. > > > > Isn't that a musical? > > Yeah, but it's a musical made up entirely of songs from the Great War. > Quite poignant in places. I took five parts in a production of OWALW, many years ago. You're right, it is poignant, when it isn't preaching from its anti-war stance. Something it clearly depicts is the distance between the squalor of the front line and the luxurious lifestyles enjoyed by the General Staff: Pals being sliced and diced, Old Pals having slices served to them. -- Pip, the "Mechanical Nightmare" (tm Bonwick Major)
From: JeremyR on 12 Nov 2009 08:23 Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote in news:4r0of598cmh05uofojmlbtoa9lgtam0tl9(a)4ax.com: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:52:14 GMT, JeremyR > <jeremy.robinsonNOSPAM(a)ul,ie> wrote: > >>Forgotten Victory: The First World War: Myths and Realities (Paperback) >>by Gary Sheffield (Author) >> >>Takes a slightly different look at it and tries to point out it was a >>genuine victory and not the catastrophic loss the war poets and >>blackadder and co would have you believe. > > Well, it may have been a 'genuine victory', but at the loss of 750,000 > British servicemen, which surely tempers the victory somewhat? > Sure, He doesn't deny that. He does give the impression it was sort of unavoidable given the state of the British Army and the crappy supply chain. I suppose what does come out of it is that he claims the British Army did learn from its mistake faster than the Germans and exploited the new technology (tanks) better. He doesn't say it was glorious victory. -- Jeremy Ireland FJR1300ABS GSX-R750K7
From: 'Hog on 12 Nov 2009 08:40
Pip wrote: > In article <MPG.256600c933f32007989b72(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > ogden says... >> >> Champ wrote: > >>>> Download a hooky copy of Oh What A Lovely War. >>> >>> Isn't that a musical? >> >> Yeah, but it's a musical made up entirely of songs from the Great >> War. Quite poignant in places. > > I took five parts in a production of OWALW, many years ago. You're > right, it is poignant, when it isn't preaching from its anti-war > stance. Something it clearly depicts is the distance between the > squalor of the front line and the luxurious lifestyles enjoyed by the > General Staff: Pals being sliced and diced, Old Pals having slices > served to them. Have you started watching my pressie to the boychic? -- 'Hog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit |