Red light sensors?
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From: LSMFT on 7 Jul 2010 12:54 Mark Olson wrote: > BryanUT wrote: >> I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting, >> waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on >> red. Is that beating the system? >> >> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing" >> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us. >> >> Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder >> how hard that is to hack. Hmmm, my friend works for the bus >> company..... > > In my state (MN) motorcycles are allowed to run a red light in that > situation IF you wait long enough without getting noticed by the sensor. > > 169.06 SIGNS, SIGNALS, MARKINGS. > > Subd. 9.Affirmative defense relating to unchanging traffic-control > signal. (a) A person operating a motorcycle who violates subdivision 4 > by entering or crossing an intersection controlled by a traffic-control > signal against a red light has an affirmative defense to that charge if > the person establishes all of the following conditions: > > (1) the motorcycle has been brought to a complete stop; > > (2) the traffic-control signal continues to show a red light for an > unreasonable time; > > (3) the traffic-control signal is apparently malfunctioning or, if > programmed or engineered to change to a green light only after detecting > the approach of a motor vehicle, the signal has apparently failed to > detect the arrival of the motorcycle; and > > (4) no motor vehicle or person is approaching on the street or highway > to be crossed or entered or is so far away from the intersection that it > does not constitute an immediate hazard. > > (b) The affirmative defense in this subdivision applies only to a > violation for entering or crossing an intersection controlled by a > traffic-control signal against a red light and does not provide a > defense to any other civil or criminal action. > > I don't wait any more. I know which lights won't change for my bike so I just go when it's clear. I have noticed that some that did not change are now changing for my bike. Have they adjusted the sensitivity? -- LSMFT I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her.
From: J. Clarke on 7 Jul 2010 12:57 On 7/7/2010 10:54 AM, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 6, 8:51 pm, BryanUT<nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing" >> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us. > > In Virginia, after you wait through one full cycle of the light, you > may legally proceed on red. (Not that I would enjoy explaining it to > a cop, if stopped!) Tricky, tricky. If the light's just stuck on red then there's no "one full cycle" to wait through. Be better if they required you to wait three minutes or something.
From: Vito on 7 Jul 2010 13:58 tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 6, 8:51 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not >> "seeing" motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us. > > In Virginia, after you wait through one full cycle of the light, you > may legally proceed on red. (Not that I would enjoy explaining it to > a cop, if stopped!) FWIW SWMBO got ticketed when she did that some 5 years ago. She called Tom McGrath. He came up to King George, consulted the light maintenence crew, got them to admit the sensitivity was too low, then went to court with her - all pro bono! Prosecutor and judge wanted her to plead guilty and go to traffic school but Tom would have none of it so they dropped charges. http://www.motorcyclevirginia.com/
From: Vito on 7 Jul 2010 13:59 T.J. Higgins wrote: >> So carry a copy of the relevant section of the vehicle code... >> ....... and be prepared to prove that you waited thru the light's cycle.
From: tomorrow on 7 Jul 2010 14:28
On Jul 7, 11:06 am, ernest.p.worr...(a)vernal.equinox.edu (T.J. Higgins) wrote: > In article <6ce30284-376c-4f03-9bf4-d5d492712...(a)b35g2000yqi.googlegroups..com>, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >On Jul 6, 8:51 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing" > >> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us. > > >In Virginia, after you wait through one full cycle of the light, you > >may legally proceed on red. (Not that I would enjoy explaining it to > >a cop, if stopped!) > > So carry a copy of the relevant section of the vehicle code... I'm old, respectable, and it doesn't happen often enough to be bothered. Cops treat you differently when you take off your helmet and you have a head full of gray hair. |