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From: Henry on 26 Jul 2010 09:07 Mark Olson wrote: > The Older Gentleman wrote: >> Bob Myers <nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote: >>> Y'know, Don, Neil - I have to say that I like both of ya online, and >>> so this perpetual pissing contest mystifies me. >> I dunno. Don publicly said he'd start it up again whenever he felt like >> it, and he so he does. Strange mentality. >> Beats me, too. > There's ample opportunity for both of you to take the high road > and leave behind the name calling and personal attacks, but so > far neither has managed it, so it's remaining at the schoolboy > level. I had hoped for better of both of you. They're behaving the way you behave when you bring up your impossible 9-11 conspiracy. <g> -- "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." -- Albert Einstein. http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.journalof911studies.com/ http://www.ae911truth.org
From: Tim on 26 Jul 2010 11:06 On Jul 25, 4:18 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...(a)address.invalid> wrote: > tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > On Jul 24, 2:19 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >> Hell a Duc Monster 646 is $9k and Suzuki SV650 is $7.5k, not a bad > >> difference considering the Duc is a boutique bike without near the > >> volume of the SV650. > > > Really? Ducati sells fewer smallbore Monsters than Suzuki sells > > SV650's these days? I find that exceedingly difficult to believe. > > Especially since there technically is no SV650 any more...:-) > > But I strongly suspect that Ducati has averaged a fair number fewer > Monster sales than Suzuki has SV-650/Gladius each year. Besides > the price difference, there are just fewer Ducati shops around, at least > as I recall seeing 'em. And I see a helluva lot more SVs than little > Monsters on the road, too. Well, year after year, the smallest Monster (600, then 620, now 696/796) is Ducati's biggest seller. Here in the U.S., I saw SCADS of SV650's back in the first 3-4 years they were introduced; almost none of the second-generation (sharper- edged styling; don't recall the years) and I have NEVER seen a Gladius on the road. I'm not aware of the actual production numbers, but my impression is that, other than the first couple of years of SV650 sales, here in the U.S. the small-bore Monsters *seem* to outnumber it on the road. If the Monster is a "boutique" bike, I would expect to see it in numbers more like other boutique bikes, say the MV Agusta Brutale or the Honda Rune. I have seen more Brutales and Runes on the road than I have Gladiuses (Gladii?)
From: Mark Olson on 26 Jul 2010 11:28 Tim wrote: > I'm not aware of the actual production numbers, but my impression is > that, other than the first couple of years of SV650 sales, here in the > U.S. the small-bore Monsters *seem* to outnumber it on the road. If > the Monster is a "boutique" bike, I would expect to see it in numbers > more like other boutique bikes, say the MV Agusta Brutale or the Honda > Rune. You no doubt are aware, that your own observations are only relevant to the areas where you typically ride the most, and they are also subject to bias, that is, you may tend to notice Ducatis more than Suzukis since you own multiple Ducatis and have never (AFAIK) owned an SV. It would be nice if there was an easily accessible database of the number of bikes sold by make, model & year so these sorts of questions could be answered definitively. My guess is that SV sales outnumber Monster 6xx sales by a very comfortable margin, in every year. Not sure about the Gladius, like you, I have never seen one on the street, only at bike shows or dealerships. In fact I don't understand why the Gladius exists at all. In my opinion the 1st generation SV frames were beautiful, the sharp-edged frames of the later fuel injected bikes look ugly in comparison.
From: tomorrow on 26 Jul 2010 11:36 On Jul 26, 11:28 am, Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote: > Tim wrote: > > I'm not aware of the actual production numbers, but my impression is > > that, other than the first couple of years of SV650 sales, here in the > > U.S. the small-bore Monsters *seem* to outnumber it on the road. If > > the Monster is a "boutique" bike, I would expect to see it in numbers > > more like other boutique bikes, say the MV Agusta Brutale or the Honda > > Rune. > > You no doubt are aware, that your own observations are only relevant to > the areas where you typically ride the most, and they are also subject > to bias, that is, you may tend to notice Ducatis more than Suzukis since > you own multiple Ducatis and have never (AFAIK) owned an SV. I owned, rode, and loved a Suzuki VX800 for several years. As I noted, I saw (and still see) SCADS of first-gen SV650s everywhere I go. I seriously doubt that any Ducati-visual-bias I might have is obscuring only second-gen SV650s and Gladiuses, while freely permitting unobscured, accurate viewing of first-gen SV650s. > It would be nice if there was an easily accessible database of the number > of bikes sold by make, model & year so these sorts of questions could be > answered definitively. Agree. > My guess is that SV sales outnumber Monster 6xx sales by a very comfortable > margin, in every year. Possible. I guess differently. > Not sure about the Gladius, like you, I have never > seen one on the street, only at bike shows or dealerships. In fact I don't > understand why the Gladius exists at all. In my opinion the 1st generation > SV frames were beautiful, the sharp-edged frames of the later fuel injected > bikes look ugly in comparison. Agree.
From: Bob Myers on 26 Jul 2010 13:33
Tim wrote: > Well, year after year, the smallest Monster (600, then 620, now > 696/796) is Ducati's biggest seller. Being Ducati's biggest seller is a somewhat different thing than being Suzuki's biggest seller, I would think. Not that the SV was, but - well, you get my point. > > Here in the U.S., I saw SCADS of SV650's back in the first 3-4 years > they were introduced; almost none of the second-generation (sharper- > edged styling; don't recall the years) and I have NEVER seen a Gladius > on the road. I've seen a pretty fair number of the second-gen (2003-08), but admittedly prefer the looks of the first-gen bike. To date, I've seen three Gladiusesses...errr, Gladias...Gladii?....on the road, so they're out there. But I can't find production volumes for any of 'em, either. Bob M. |