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From: Catman on 30 Jul 2010 16:18 Tosspot wrote: > On 30/07/10 07:56, Catman wrote: >> Tosspot wrote: >>> On 29/07/10 23:41, Champ wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:26:56 +0100, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tosspot wrote: >>>>>> What a load of wank. >>>>> Right, I've just been to see it, and I can safely announce that >>>>> you're a know-nothing idiot. >>>> Well, yes. >>>> >>>> Mark Kermode isn't infallible, but I'd always trust his reviews over >>>> some bloke on the internet called Tosspot. >>> Pah, it was juvenile at best. Some good effects, but no substance. If >>> I may quote one reviewer >> <snip> >>> Inception II - Conception coming to a cinema near you, unless of course >>> someone notices the totem can't be real. >> A tad harsh, but I can see the point. I am curious as to this last >> sentence. Why can't the totem be real? > > Because in the dream you'd never know. Matey boy spins the totem to check it > falls over, but if, in his dream it does, how would he know? Know what? If it's *his* dream, it doesn't matter, if it's *not* his dream, then it'll keep spinnign. >They try to get > around this by saying only the person that owns the totem knows it's behaviour, > thus, if you're being extracted/incepted, the behaviour of the totem is known > only to you. So...given you know this, what happens if you dream a dream where > it *does* behave normally. Is this a dream or is it real? See above. It's a risk indicator, nothing else. > Of course, the whole > thing is obviously a dream because Matey tells everyone that'll will listen the > top doesn't stop spinning. Well, yes, there is that. It *might* be more to do with the manner in which it falls over, but it's a good point. > > Then of course there is the question of what happens if a tree falls in a forest > and there is nobody to hear it, *in* a dream. Dreams don't have the background > detail, it's only what you see and experience, the rest just isn't there. They > helpfully even point this out in the film! So, when he leaves it spinning at > the end, what is that trying to tell you apart from there will be a sequel? I think you're reading a bit too much into it[1]. I think it's just to make people talk / think about whether it's a dream or not. Personally I thought it was going to fall over but meh. [1] Given the preceding contents, I realise this is ironic ;) -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Tosspot on 31 Jul 2010 05:13
On 30/07/10 21:08, ogden wrote: > Tosspot wrote: >> On 30/07/10 07:56, Catman wrote: >>> Tosspot wrote: >>>> On 29/07/10 23:41, Champ wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:26:56 +0100, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tosspot wrote: >>>>>>> What a load of wank. >>>>>> Right, I've just been to see it, and I can safely announce that >>>>>> you're a know-nothing idiot. >>>>> Well, yes. >>>>> >>>>> Mark Kermode isn't infallible, but I'd always trust his reviews over >>>>> some bloke on the internet called Tosspot. >>>> >>>> Pah, it was juvenile at best. Some good effects, but no substance. If >>>> I may quote one reviewer >>> >>> <snip> >>>> >>>> Inception II - Conception coming to a cinema near you, unless of course >>>> someone notices the totem can't be real. >>> >>> A tad harsh, but I can see the point. I am curious as to this last >>> sentence. Why can't the totem be real? >> >> Because in the dream you'd never know. Matey boy spins the totem to check it >> falls over, but if, in his dream it does, how would he know? > > The totem would, almost by definition, be of no use in his own dream. > The idea is that if only you know its nature, only you can accurately > recreate it in a dream. You use the totem in other people's dreams, so > you get their version of it, which won't match the real totem. So you > know you're in their dream, not reality. Yeah, but everyone knows about the top bit, so it doesn't hold up. In particular his dead (or not wife). >> Then of course there is the question of what happens if a tree falls in a forest >> and there is nobody to hear it, *in* a dream. Dreams don't have the background >> detail, it's only what you see and experience, the rest just isn't there. They >> helpfully even point this out in the film! So, when he leaves it spinning at >> the end, what is that trying to tell you apart from there will be a sequel? > > Does Nolan have a track record of making sequels? No idea, Batman? Looking at a few of his films, I quite liked Prestige, and at least I'm in line with people on this one. |