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From: Tosspot on 30 Jul 2010 16:01 On 30/07/10 07:56, Catman wrote: > Tosspot wrote: >> On 29/07/10 23:41, Champ wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:26:56 +0100, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Tosspot wrote: >>>>> What a load of wank. >>>> Right, I've just been to see it, and I can safely announce that >>>> you're a know-nothing idiot. >>> Well, yes. >>> >>> Mark Kermode isn't infallible, but I'd always trust his reviews over >>> some bloke on the internet called Tosspot. >> >> Pah, it was juvenile at best. Some good effects, but no substance. If >> I may quote one reviewer > > <snip> >> >> Inception II - Conception coming to a cinema near you, unless of course >> someone notices the totem can't be real. > > A tad harsh, but I can see the point. I am curious as to this last > sentence. Why can't the totem be real? Because in the dream you'd never know. Matey boy spins the totem to check it falls over, but if, in his dream it does, how would he know? They try to get around this by saying only the person that owns the totem knows it's behaviour, thus, if you're being extracted/incepted, the behaviour of the totem is known only to you. So...given you know this, what happens if you dream a dream where it *does* behave normally. Is this a dream or is it real? Of course, the whole thing is obviously a dream because Matey tells everyone that'll will listen the top doesn't stop spinning. Then of course there is the question of what happens if a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody to hear it, *in* a dream. Dreams don't have the background detail, it's only what you see and experience, the rest just isn't there. They helpfully even point this out in the film! So, when he leaves it spinning at the end, what is that trying to tell you apart from there will be a sequel?
From: Tosspot on 30 Jul 2010 16:03 On 30/07/10 09:23, ogden wrote: <snip> > I've got to see Toy Story 3 on Saturday. It's almost impossible to find > an evening showing that isn't in sodding 3D. I'm sure it's wonderful, > but it really isn't my cup of tea. I'll give that a shot, I quite enjoyed UP! but I am a bit of a sucker for animations, or cartoons if you prefer, and they seem to work well in 3D.
From: Tosspot on 30 Jul 2010 16:07 On 30/07/10 11:02, Champ wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:47:37 -0700 (PDT), darsy <darsyx(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Jul 30, 10:05 am, Champ <n...(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: >>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:23:43 +0100, ogden <og...(a)pre.org> wrote: >>>> I've got to see Toy Story 3 on Saturday. It's almost impossible to find >>>> an evening showing that isn't in sodding 3D. I'm sure it's wonderful, >>>> but it really isn't my cup of tea. >>> >>> You might surprise yourself. >>> >>> I listened to the podcast of Mayo and Kermode's R5 film show >>> yesterday, and the two of them were audibly welling up when they >>> talked about it, and they read lots of letters from people who said >>> the film had moved them to tears. > >> given Kermode's previously stated anti-3D stance, I find that odd. >> Unless of course he wasn't talking about the 3D version. > > Kermode says that the only 3D film he's seen where 3D didn't distract > from the experience is Toy Story 3, tho he is reserving judgement > until he watches it again in 2D. 300 was very nice to watch, as was Beowulf, come to that Avatar. Come to think of it, I can't remember a recent 3D film where the 3D got on my nerves. Plenty of other stuff, but not the 3D. > Personally, I think he's wrong, and 3D is the future.
From: ogden on 30 Jul 2010 16:08 Tosspot wrote: > On 30/07/10 07:56, Catman wrote: > > Tosspot wrote: > >> On 29/07/10 23:41, Champ wrote: > >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:26:56 +0100, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tosspot wrote: > >>>>> What a load of wank. > >>>> Right, I've just been to see it, and I can safely announce that > >>>> you're a know-nothing idiot. > >>> Well, yes. > >>> > >>> Mark Kermode isn't infallible, but I'd always trust his reviews over > >>> some bloke on the internet called Tosspot. > >> > >> Pah, it was juvenile at best. Some good effects, but no substance. If > >> I may quote one reviewer > > > > <snip> > >> > >> Inception II - Conception coming to a cinema near you, unless of course > >> someone notices the totem can't be real. > > > > A tad harsh, but I can see the point. I am curious as to this last > > sentence. Why can't the totem be real? > > Because in the dream you'd never know. Matey boy spins the totem to check it > falls over, but if, in his dream it does, how would he know? The totem would, almost by definition, be of no use in his own dream. The idea is that if only you know its nature, only you can accurately recreate it in a dream. You use the totem in other people's dreams, so you get their version of it, which won't match the real totem. So you know you're in their dream, not reality. > Then of course there is the question of what happens if a tree falls in a forest > and there is nobody to hear it, *in* a dream. Dreams don't have the background > detail, it's only what you see and experience, the rest just isn't there. They > helpfully even point this out in the film! So, when he leaves it spinning at > the end, what is that trying to tell you apart from there will be a sequel? Does Nolan have a track record of making sequels? -- ogden | gsxr1000 | ktm duke 2
From: Tosspot on 30 Jul 2010 16:11
On 30/07/10 09:30, Ace wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:20:33 +0100, Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > > >> S'ok, you're allowed not to like it. You can even feel superior, if >> you like. > > Oooh, oooh! Can I join in? I mean, I've not read the reviews or > anything - in fact I've never even heard of the film in question, let > alone seen it, but I'm sure that Tosspot is right, and I'd like some > of hs smug superior feeling please, as I feel I've been lacking in > that department recently. C'mon, can't be that hard to generate a smug feeling. Bluffing someone out of a big pot, catching the tram you *knew* would be late, almost anything really. Heh! Go see Inception, then you can have a smug feeling by enjoying it and proving me wrong! :-) |