Cager F.U of the day kills two
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From: Ben Kaufman on 9 Jul 2010 08:15 On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT), Twibil <nowayjose6(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 7, 6:44�pm, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> >> >> > �In other words: �Was he out running his sight distance? >> >> We don't know. � > >Yes we do. > >He hit her. Until further information about this accident is available , we don't know the reason why he hit her.
From: J. Clarke on 9 Jul 2010 08:45 On 7/9/2010 8:15 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT), Twibil<nowayjose6(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 7, 6:44 pm, Ben Kaufman<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >> doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> In other words: Was he out running his sight distance? >>> >>> We don't know. >> >> Yes we do. >> >> He hit her. > > Until further information about this accident is available , we don't know the > reason why he hit her. Either he meant to hit her or he screwed up. There's no third option.
From: J. Clarke on 9 Jul 2010 08:48 On 7/9/2010 8:08 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Twibil<nowayjose6(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 7, 3:03 pm, Ben Kaufman<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >> doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Depth perception tells you how far away something is, not how fast it's moving. >> >> Ben, I'm a retired racer and track instructor. I know how quickly the >> normal human eye can judge speed differences, and I know that because >> I rely on exactly that ability for my survival every single time I >> climb on my bike. >> > Pete, you snipped my explanation of how speed perception works. Would you > claim that if you performed the "one second" experiment you could tell how fast > a car in the distance was going? Doesn't matter how fast it's going, only whether you're getting closer or farther away. >> There is no possible way that the normal human reaction time for >> judging closing rates can cause a biker to rear end a car stopped on >> the road ahead of him unless he was (A) going *way* too fast for >> conditions, or (B) was simply not paying attention. And that's all >> there is to it. >> >> You can look for excuses as to why that accident wasn't the biker's >> fault for the next six months, and that will *still* be all there is >> to it. > > This is not true. All I have said with respect to this biker is "We don't > know". We do know. But the prosecutor would _love_ to have you on the jury. There should be a test for common sense. > The discussion of speed and object detection were "devil's advocate" > responses to people who think they are certain they do know what happened. You didn't give any devils advocate responses though, just showed that you can't see a car in front of you, then backed down when nobody agreed with you. > On > the other hand, we do know how and why that car became stopped in the middle > of the highway, which is why I do have a highly unfavorable opinion of the > woman. Which makes the rider no less an example of Darwin at work.
From: J. Clarke on 9 Jul 2010 08:44 On 7/9/2010 7:04 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:59:21 -0400, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> On 7/7/2010 5:42 PM, Ben Kaufman wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 00:49:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >>> >>> <SNIP older parts> >>>>>> In more than 40 years of driving and riding, and more than that of being >>>>>> a passenger in highway vehicles, I do not recall a car in the road in >>>>>> front of me ever being other than highly visible. >>>>> >>>>> How would you recall something that you didn't notice? >>>> >>>> If one does not notice cars in the road in front of one one does not >>>> survive 40 years on the roads. >>>> >>> >>> That's if you *never* noticed cars in front of you, which is not what I said. >> >> I've never not noticed a car in front of me. >> >>>>>> If you can't see a >>>>>> car in front of you in broad daylight you should not be operating motor >>>>>> vehicles. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not a question of seeing, it's a matter of the unexpected registering in >>>>> the brain. >>>> >>>> If a car in front of you does not register in your brain then you should >>>> not be driving. >>> >>> It's not black and white. It's a question of how fast it registers. >> >> If it doesn't register when you see it then it registers too late. >> >>>>> This is why they sometimes have warning signs with flashing >>>>> lights that there is a traffic light or stop sign coming up on some roads. >>>> >>>> Generally those are used when the sign or lights are around a blind curve. >>>> >>> >>> No, I've also seen plenty of them on straight roads too, especially near schools >>> or when a highway is going to end. >> >> I've never seen a traffic light or stop sign warning near a school or >> where a highway is going to end. I've seen flashing lights that >> indicate a school zone or that the highway is going to end though. >>> >>>> Seriously, you're arguing like Ralph Nader or some other New Yorker who >>>> has never actually operated a motor vehicle once in his life. >>>> >>> >>> Ad Hominem is not going to do it. >> >> No, but your singular inability to see motor vehicles in the road in >> front of you eventually will. > > Making unsubstantiated claims about my abilities is not going to do it either. No, the motor vehicle that you hit will.
From: Bob Myers on 9 Jul 2010 15:10
Ben Kaufman wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT), Twibil > <nowayjose6(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 7, 6:44 pm, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >> doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> In other words: Was he out running his sight distance? >>> >>> We don't know. >> >> Yes we do. >> >> He hit her. > > Until further information about this accident is available , we don't > know the reason why he hit her. The only additional information required is knowing that she was stopped. Given that, it's clear that the collision happend SOLELY due to the motion of the motorcycle, and if the rider couldn't stop or otherwise avoid that collision then it's perfectly clear that he was outrunning his sight distance. That's sort of the definition, you know. Bob M. |