Cager F.U of the day kills two
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From: Ben Kaufman on 7 Jul 2010 21:41 On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:22:25 -0600, "Bob Myers" <nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote: >Ben Kaufman wrote: >> Do you agree that stopping a car in the middle of the highway creates >> a dangerous situation? >> >> Do you agree that if she had not stopped her car in the middle of the >> highway that this accident would never have happened? > >Oh, FFS.... > >Do you agree that having, say, a car-sized boulder fall off the >side of a mountain a stop in the middle of a road creates a >dangerous situation? Yes. Now please tell me *who* created this dangerous situation? > Do you agree that if the boulder hadn't >fallen, a hypothetical accident involving it would not have >happened? > Yes. Now please tell me *who* decided it was too dangerous for the bolder to fall? >OK, now let's extend that to a car that for some reason stalls >just around a curve, without sufficient shoulder for the driver >to get it completely off the road. Fine, now please tell me *who* intentionally caused the car to stall? >Or, let's say, a line of cars >stopped due to construction going on. > A construction site? You mean the kind that post warning signs and have personnel or police directing traffic? >Bottom line - it really doesn't matter how a Big Solid Stopped >Object winds up in the middle of the road. It is the responsibility >of any driver/rider to be aware of what's ahead of them, and >to avoid collision with anything you are approaching from the >rear. You are never ever assured of a clear road ahead of >you; you HAVE to use your eyes, and to correctly regulate >your speed for the conditions at the moment (including just >how much of that "road ahead of you" you can see). Period. > The bottom line is that a dangerous situation increases the probability of an accident. We are not robots and do not operate at 100% thoroughness 100% of the time so even a diligent driver can miss something, ( as evidenced by the dancing bear video) that he could have avoided if given some heads up about what to look for. Dangerous situations caused by acts of nature or mechanical failures are mostly outside of our control. On the other hand intentional actions that cause dangerous situations are within our control, and when the reason for the action falls way short of a justification for the increased risk of an accident then this person has made a bad decision on the order of "I see that red light but I'm not stopping for it." >Bob M. > > Ben
From: Ben Kaufman on 7 Jul 2010 21:44 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 01:10:47 GMT, "Stephen!" <NO(a)spam.com> wrote: >Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars(a)pobox.com> wrote in >news:q9dq26tdfk93g934cvduh8mopqb2ga42he(a)4ax.com: > >> How do you know how big and visible? Were her flashers on? Was >> her brake lights on or was she in park? Was the Sun in his eyes?. > > In other words: Was he out running his sight distance? We don't know.
From: High Plains Thumper on 8 Jul 2010 01:14 Twibil wrote: > There is no possible way that the normal human reaction time for > judging closing rates can cause a biker to rear end a car stopped on > the road ahead of him unless he was (A) going *way* too fast for > conditions, or (B) was simply not paying attention. or (C) following at an unsafe distance (too close). I agree with you, I think there are more to the facts than presented in the on-line news article. It better to avoid conditions that build for an accident. -- HPT
From: Twibil on 8 Jul 2010 03:53 On Jul 7, 6:32 pm, "Stephen!" <N...(a)spam.com> wrote: > > > > You can look for excuses as to why that accident wasn't the biker's > > fault for the next six months, and that will *still* be all there is > > to it. > > Heh... What with our lively disputes on other subject I'm almost sorry > to have to do this to you but... > > +1 Oh, we both believe in taking personal responsibility for our actions, but we define it differently.
From: Twibil on 8 Jul 2010 03:55
On Jul 7, 6:44 pm, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > In other words: Was he out running his sight distance? > > We don't know. Yes we do. He hit her. |