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From: BrianNZ on 26 Apr 2010 05:23 Twibil wrote: > On Apr 25, 1:58 pm, BrianNZ <br...(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, what is a 'Conservative'? I thought you only had >> a two party system, Democrats and Republicans. If those parties were >> seen as the left and right wing, where do the Conservative's fit >> in.....and who do you vote for? > > "Conservative" is a set of political ideals that *used* to be what the > Republican party largely stood for: > > A Federal Government that is limited to only what it's supposedly > required to do by our Constitution: a bare minimum in most cases. > > Alas, that was back before the Republicans developed the "Southern > Strategy" after Democratic President Lyndon Johnson alienated most of > the white Deep South bigots with his civil rights programs: pandering > to that "Southern Strategy" and the Republican's courting of the way- > out-there-far-right fundies has resulted in the GOP's swinging so far > to the right that they've mostly forgotten what the party used to be > all about: freedom as opposed to government control of practically > everything. > > These days the far right is every bit as controlling as the far left: > the two simply disagree on what needs to be controlled. > > The Democrats are big on gun control, health control, and unlimited > taxing and spending. > > The Republicans are big on morality control, unfettered laissez-faire > capitalism, and unlimited spending *without* taxing. > > Who do I vote for? > > The best compromise I can find between sanity and ideology. > That pretty much sums it up for down here too, except we now have coalition govenments with one of the old parties (National for right wing, labour for left wing) with a couple of minor parties going along with them to get the numbers to govern. This gets a 'tail wagging the dog 'effect going on when the minor parties demand a trade off for their support. The Labour party was born during miners strikes.....now it's opposed to mining. It doesn't seem to matter who gets in.....taxes keep going up and more laws keep getting passed. :)
From: saddlebag on 26 Apr 2010 05:35 On Apr 26, 3:31 am, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 25, 1:58 pm, BrianNZ <br...(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > Just out of curiosity, what is a 'Conservative'? I thought you only had > > a two party system, Democrats and Republicans. If those parties were > > seen as the left and right wing, where do the Conservative's fit > > in.....and who do you vote for? > > "Conservative" is a set of political ideals that *used* to be what the > Republican party largely stood for: > > A Federal Government that is limited to only what it's supposedly > required to do by our Constitution: a bare minimum in most cases. > > Alas, that was back before the Republicans developed the "Southern > Strategy" after Democratic President Lyndon Johnson alienated most of > the white Deep South bigots with his civil rights programs: pandering > to that "Southern Strategy" and the Republican's courting of the way- > out-there-far-right fundies has resulted in the GOP's swinging so far > to the right that they've mostly forgotten what the party used to be > all about: freedom as opposed to government control of practically > everything. > > These days the far right is every bit as controlling as the far left: > the two simply disagree on what needs to be controlled. > > The Democrats are big on gun control, health control, and unlimited > taxing and spending. Lies. a) Name one gun control amendment put forth under this Democratically controlled everything. b) Creating laws to prevent billionaire insurance middlemen executives from defrauding the public is not health control; it's crime control. c) If Bu$h and friends hadn't fucked our system up so bad, this Democratic president would be running the same surpluses that Clinton ran. > The Republicans are big on morality control a) You nailed that one. But you should rename that category as Personal Freedom Prohibition. b) unfettered laissez-faire capitalism. Not quite true, they are very interested in rubbing their political contributors backs with large gov't contracts and tax advantages. c) and unlimited spending *without* taxing. Now that's a fact.
From: S'mee on 26 Apr 2010 12:01 On Apr 26, 1:31 am, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 25, 1:58 pm, BrianNZ <br...(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > Just out of curiosity, what is a 'Conservative'? I thought you only had > > a two party system, Democrats and Republicans. If those parties were > > seen as the left and right wing, where do the Conservative's fit > > in.....and who do you vote for? > > "Conservative" is a set of political ideals that *used* to be what the > Republican party largely stood for: > > A Federal Government that is limited to only what it's supposedly > required to do by our Constitution: a bare minimum in most cases. > > Alas, that was back before the Republicans developed the "Southern > Strategy" after Democratic President Lyndon Johnson alienated most of > the white Deep South bigots with his civil rights programs: pandering > to that "Southern Strategy" and the Republican's courting of the way- > out-there-far-right fundies has resulted in the GOP's swinging so far > to the right that they've mostly forgotten what the party used to be > all about: freedom as opposed to government control of practically > everything. > > These days the far right is every bit as controlling as the far left: > the two simply disagree on what needs to be controlled. > > The Democrats are big on gun control, health control, and unlimited > taxing and spending. > > The Republicans are big on morality control, unfettered laissez-faire > capitalism, and unlimited spending *without* taxing. > > Who do I vote for? > > The best compromise I can find between sanity and ideology. So what we need to do, I say, what we need to do is create a party that is against gun control, health control, morality control is in favour of limited taxing (instead of the current systema of stealth taxes on top of income taxes for persons and business) limited market controls and a balanced budget that IS balanced as in "we got x dollars in taxes and that is ALL we have to work with, no banks will loan to us" That could work...hell that makes more sense than the libertarians.
From: Twibil on 26 Apr 2010 15:18 On Apr 26, 9:01 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > So what we need to do, I say, what we need to do is create a party > that is against gun control, health control, morality control is in > favour of limited taxing (instead of the current systema of stealth > taxes on top of income taxes for persons and business) limited market > controls and a balanced budget that IS balanced as in "we got x > dollars in taxes and that is ALL we have to work with, no banks will > loan to us" > > That could work...hell that makes more sense than the libertarians. You know, I like you quite a bit, but still scares me when you make more sense than do 99% of our elected politicians. And the remaining 1% seem to be hiding.
From: S'mee on 26 Apr 2010 15:39
On Apr 26, 1:18 pm, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 26, 9:01 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > So what we need to do, I say, what we need to do is create a party > > that is against gun control, health control, morality control is in > > favour of limited taxing (instead of the current systema of stealth > > taxes on top of income taxes for persons and business) limited market > > controls and a balanced budget that IS balanced as in "we got x > > dollars in taxes and that is ALL we have to work with, no banks will > > loan to us" > > > That could work...hell that makes more sense than the libertarians. > > You know, I like you quite a bit, but still scares me when you make > more sense than do 99% of our elected politicians. Sorry but I REFUSE TO RUN FOR OFFICE (least of which I am physically unable to run) and if drafted I will do what I think is right and if people don't like it they can just put on their big girl panties and deal with it. > And the remaining 1% seem to be hiding. Those are the smart ones... |