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From: des hanging around for a while on 15 Apr 2010 10:31 On 2010-04-15, Thomas <keensurf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 14, 10:12 am, des hanging around for a while <d...(a)des.com> > wrote: >> On 2010-04-14, Thomas <keens...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Apr 14, 2:29 am, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Catman <cat...(a)rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Thomas wrote: >> >> >> There are 2 arguments why not to do it. The first is money. It's very >> >> >> expensive to lock people up. >> >> >> > He's looking for arguments against capital punishment ITYF... >> >> >> Ding >> >> >> Not for a first offence I add, for the 4th. >> >> > That's another problem. Death row is far more expensive than regular >> > prison and because of all the automatic appeals, prisoners now spend >> > an average of 11 years there before execution. (1/3 die of natural >> > causes.) Also, the death penalty is not fool-proof. 252 convicts, and >> > at least 17 on death row have been exonerated after conviction. >> >> 135 actually, 'last time I looked. > > I got my data from the Innocence Project. I've seen a lot of bogus > numbers, and there may be other organizations doing the same thing, > but the IP is pretty reliable. > > http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/351.php > <http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row>
From: des hanging around for a while on 15 Apr 2010 10:32 On 2010-04-15, Hog <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Thomas <keensurf(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 14, 10:12 am, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >>> It doesn't have to be expensive, the Yanks only choose to make it so. >> >> Oh yeah. But considering that so many have been wrongly sent to death >> row, I'm more in favor of life without parole than the death penalty. >> It's tough to reconcile executing an innocent person. > > I think That's the problem: you don't.
From: des hanging around for a while on 17 Apr 2010 13:41
On 2010-04-15, 'Hog <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Kevin Gleeson wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:56:05 +0100, "Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> Thomas <keensurf(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Apr 14, 10:12 am, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> It doesn't have to be expensive, the Yanks only choose to make it so. >>>> Oh yeah. But considering that so many have been wrongly sent to death >>>> row, I'm more in favor of life without parole than the death penalty. >>>> It's tough to reconcile executing an innocent person. >>> I think a post sentence review panel would work. A trial concludes on >>> the balance of evidence and "reasonable doubt". A death sentence can be >>> handed down. A review panel can then decide if the combined evidence >>> was absolute or contained doubt. If not absolute then suspend unless >>> reviewed on new evidence. Chances of executing the innocent under an >>> arrangement like that is very slight. >> Yeah, but that depends on the evidence which can be flawed no matter how >> many ways you examine it. Would you like to be on the "very slight" end >> of the argument? > I think a professional review panel can evaluate all of those things, > moving from Reasonable Doubt to Any Doubt. Erring on the side of caution. It's difficult to know where to begin in the face of such monstrous and colossal stupidity. One could begin by pointing out that Texas already has 'a professional review panel' in the shape of the Board of Pardons and Paroles, and that Texas still manages to execute more prisoners than every other state in the Union (437 to April 2009 (counting from Furman), compared to 299 for the next five most 'active' capital jurisdictions), and 'almost execute' more manifestly innocent defendants than the rest put together. Nor does it fail to impress in the number of executed where there have been grave doubts as to guilt - Gary Graham, Carlos DeLuna and Cameron Willingham being three names which spring to mind. Even on UKRM where we're spoiled for choice when it comes to sheer and crass idiocy, you stand head and shoulders above the rest. I place you just below Richard Woods when it comes to suicide risk. I do wish you'd cleanse the world of your person, and do UKRM a favour into the bargain. |