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From: doetnietcomputeren on 27 May 2010 04:50 On 2010-05-27 09:09:03 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> said: >>>> Download allowances? How quaint. >>> >>> It's a strong word, but I hate you. >> I'm guessing you have really pikey speeds too? >> >> At the end of my current contract, I'm thinking of going up to 120 meg >> down/10 meg up (from my current 50d/5u). > > Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet connection. A > genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for anything I do. Well, given you seem to be happy about having a download allowance increased, I presume that you download stuff. Sometimes it's nice to be able to download that stuff quickly. It's also nice to be able to fire up a VPN and be able to use it as intended - ie, seamlessly, as though one was connected to that etwork as a local client. Achieving this requires a decent speed connection. Especially if you want to move lots of data. If one is a user of video conferencing, it's nice to be able to use it as it was intended, ie, that it feels like you're actually talking real time and. not. stuttering. all. over. the. place. or. in. r$eal^y p0or qu4l1ty. If you want to do all of the above, at the same time, having a decent internet connection is also, really quite useful. Add to that bragging rights and the "just because you can" factor, and I put it to you, why *wouldn't* you want a stupidly fast connection speed? (cost aside). -- Dnc
From: Hog on 27 May 2010 05:22 ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:09:03 +0100, "Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for >> anything I do. > > 1 megabit - what is this 2002? You're obviously not trying to shift > data around in realtime, or working over a vpn all that often. > > I think 10 megabits should be a sensible target - the same speed > 10base2 supported in the 90's. I get 12 down, 1 up, and it's > perfectly usable. I'm talking about home here. Surfing, email, youtube, file downloads. A proper 1mb of internet bandwidth "off network" is something lots of UK consumers with claimed XXmb adsl lines have never seen. Only thing I can think of for 10+ lines is watching streaming TV. I use a TV or a Sat dish for that. I'm happy if a blu-ray rip downloads in an hour or two, I don't need it in 5 minutes. -- Hog
From: Hog on 27 May 2010 05:27 doetnietcomputeren <doesnotcompute(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-27 09:09:03 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> > said: >>>>> Download allowances? How quaint. >>>> >>>> It's a strong word, but I hate you. > >>> I'm guessing you have really pikey speeds too? >>> >>> At the end of my current contract, I'm thinking of going up to 120 >>> meg down/10 meg up (from my current 50d/5u). >> >> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for >> anything I do. > > Well, given you seem to be happy about having a download allowance > increased, I presume that you download stuff. Sometimes it's nice to > be able to download that stuff quickly. > > It's also nice to be able to fire up a VPN and be able to use it as > intended - ie, seamlessly, as though one was connected to that etwork > as a local client. Achieving this requires a decent speed connection. > Especially if you want to move lots of data. > > If one is a user of video conferencing, it's nice to be able to use it > as it was intended, ie, that it feels like you're actually talking > real time and. not. stuttering. all. over. the. place. or. in. > r$eal^y p0or qu4l1ty. > > If you want to do all of the above, at the same time, having a decent > internet connection is also, really quite useful. > > Add to that bragging rights and the "just because you can" factor, and > I put it to you, why *wouldn't* you want a stupidly fast connection > speed? (cost aside). A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking domestic internet. In the office requirements are higher. Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea. That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre backbones could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links. -- Hog
From: darsy on 27 May 2010 05:40 On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:42:20 +0100, Catman <catman(a)rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote: >darsy wrote: >> On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:02:07 +0100, "Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Good deal chaps. >> >> [snip] >> >> aww - I thought this was going to be a Blake's 7 thread. > >We could do that, if you like. > >I just (5 weeks ago) finished watching the whole lot. do you have it on DVD? I've been thinking about buying it for a while. -- d.
From: ginge on 27 May 2010 05:44
On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:22:57 +0100, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:09:03 +0100, "Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >>> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for >>> anything I do. >> >> 1 megabit - what is this 2002? You're obviously not trying to shift >> data around in realtime, or working over a vpn all that often. >> >> I think 10 megabits should be a sensible target - the same speed >> 10base2 supported in the 90's. I get 12 down, 1 up, and it's >> perfectly usable. > >I'm talking about home here. Surfing, email, youtube, file downloads. I'm talking about home. I do that stuff from home, when I can't be bothered to go to the office.. and nowadays lots of people do. Also you're not sharing a house with a full family - what if a few people all want to watch different things on their streaming iplayers, and the like.. >A proper 1mb of internet bandwidth "off network" is something lots of UK >consumers with claimed XXmb adsl lines have never seen. > >Only thing I can think of for 10+ lines is watching streaming TV. I use a TV >or a Sat dish for that. I'm happy if a blu-ray rip downloads in an hour or >two, I don't need it in 5 minutes. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean it's not the way forward - korea (iirc) has an average 100mb broadband speed - and the apps to make use of that kind of bandwidth will come along. Remember when bill gates said nobody will need more than 640k? :-) |