ZEN
in [UK Motorcycles]
|
From: ginge on 27 May 2010 06:56 On Thu, 27 May 2010 11:44:46 +0100, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:27:40 +0100, "Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft >>> idea. That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national >>> fibre backbones could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg >>> real time links. >> >> Giving everyone an uncontended 10 base T yes. >> >> Which is why in my example I used 10base2 as the standard - it was a >> contended link with a 10meg max throughput. >> >> I'd rather have a 10 meg link contended at 20:1 than and uncontended 1 >> meg link, as most of the time I'm using it the former will actually >> work out the quicker of the two. > >Only until everyone else starts doing the same. The whole point is people don't all want to do the same thing at the same time, there might be the equivalent of a rush hour but overall it's still the best option. Let's put it another way, on average which would allow you to get to a destination quicker (on local plates, before this thread goes off at a real tangent)? A single carriageway, with average speed cameras, a 40mph limit, and just you on it. Or. A 3 lane motorway, with a 70mph limit, and a varable amount of traffic at given times of the day. > >If you really use up 20meg downloads I expect they will be disconnecting you >under the new Act soon anyway. That's a huge assumption to make. Actually I don't think I use anything like 20, but I do take advantage of a fast speed more often than not. >There is another angle, most of what high bandwidth connections might get >used for is probably dodgy anyway. I pretty much never download films or dodgy torrents, but was regularly going over Zen's limits when I was using them. I frequently use iplayer, SkyPlayer and other streaming, VOIP and video conferencing, play games online, and sometimes download ISO images (but generally not of films) Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree - it'll be a dull conversation to carry on furthe...zzzzzzz.
From: Catman on 27 May 2010 06:57 darsy wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:42:20 +0100, Catman > <catman(a)rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote: > >> darsy wrote: >>> On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:02:07 +0100, "Hog" >>> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Good deal chaps. >>> [snip] >>> >>> aww - I thought this was going to be a Blake's 7 thread. >> We could do that, if you like. >> >> I just (5 weeks ago) finished watching the whole lot. > > do you have it on DVD? > > I've been thinking about buying it for a while. Not really. I clubbed together with a load of mates at work to buy it when it still seemed expensive. Then there were redundancies, and I ended up with Series 2. I do have it all downloaded as DVD rips in .avi that I can stick on disc for you if you wish. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Catman on 27 May 2010 06:57 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2010-05-27 11:27:40 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> said: > >>>>>>> Download allowances? How quaint. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a strong word, but I hate you. >>> >>>>> I'm guessing you have really pikey speeds too? >>>>> >>>>> At the end of my current contract, I'm thinking of going up to 120 >>>>> meg down/10 meg up (from my current 50d/5u). >>>> >>>> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >>>> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for >>>> anything I do. >>> >>> Well, given you seem to be happy about having a download allowance >>> increased, I presume that you download stuff. Sometimes it's nice to >>> be able to download that stuff quickly. >>> >>> It's also nice to be able to fire up a VPN and be able to use it as >>> intended - ie, seamlessly, as though one was connected to that etwork >>> as a local client. Achieving this requires a decent speed connection. >>> Especially if you want to move lots of data. >>> >>> If one is a user of video conferencing, it's nice to be able to use it >>> as it was intended, ie, that it feels like you're actually talking >>> real time and. not. stuttering. all. over. the. place. or. in. >>> r$eal^y p0or qu4l1ty. >>> >>> If you want to do all of the above, at the same time, having a decent >>> internet connection is also, really quite useful. >>> >>> Add to that bragging rights and the "just because you can" factor, and >>> I put it to you, why *wouldn't* you want a stupidly fast connection >>> speed? (cost aside). >> >> A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking >> domestic >> internet. In the office requirements are higher. > > 1) I work from home, as do many other people. > 2) I download from home, for personal and work. > 3) I video conference (Skype etc) from home, for personal and work. > 4) I VPN from home, for personal and work. Admittedly, mostly work. > > Are these concepts realy so alien to you? > >> Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea. >> That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre >> backbones >> could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links. > > I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's bollocks. > > Indeed. RDC sucks. It sucks more with slow connections. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Hog on 27 May 2010 07:04 Catman <catman(a)rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote: > doetnietcomputeren wrote: >> I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's >> bollocks. > Indeed. RDC sucks. It sucks more with slow connections. You Sir are talking bollocks. I use it every day and very nice it is. Still better than any VNC it seems. And Terminal Server manages to beam out our image enabled oncology system across West Yorkshire ok and that's one FO app. -- Hog
From: doetnietcomputeren on 27 May 2010 07:03
On 2010-05-27 12:41:40 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> said: >>> A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking >>> domestic internet. In the office requirements are higher. >> >> 1) I work from home, as do many other people. >> 2) I download from home, for personal and work. >> 3) I video conference (Skype etc) from home, for personal and work. >> 4) I VPN from home, for personal and work. Admittedly, mostly work. >> >> Are these concepts realy so alien to you? > > All those are practical with a proper 1mb connection. I'm talking here about > a 1meg leased line equivalent. Transferring Multi-Gb files across a VPN while using high quality video conferencing and dowloading multi-Gb files from usenet, at the same time, is practical over a 1mb connection? Where one of the three needs to be real time, another needs to be as fast as possible and the other it as fast as I'd like to have it but probably not critical? > All the UK hype about 20meg BB is mostly that, hype. It is contended at one > point or another. If you prefer lets settle on 5 or 10megs But you're only looking at the UK. >>> Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft >>> idea. That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national >>> fibre backbones could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg >>> real time links. >> >> I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's >> bollocks. > > Well remember I have co-owned an ISP. Which is why I struggle to understand why you struggle to comprehend that people want things faster. You see to be stuck in the early 90's. > It doesn't take much working out. Muiltiply your desires by the number of BB > households. Add all the corporate use. No wonder if UK Telco fibre > transmission gear can move all that around uncontended. I suggest not. The same was said when we were all on dialup. "how would they all cope if we had free dialup?!". The unmetered free dial up cam along and boomed, then busted, then it reigned itself in, later ISDN/ADSL started to become generally available, and it was "Oh noes! What if everyone had 'narrowband' connections, how would they cope?!", and then 'broadband' connections started to become available and..... etc. The fact that you have had a virtual monopoly provider taking care of a great deal of the tele-net stuff, and not exactly marching forward to constantly improve their service and product offerings is not a good reason to say "1Mb" is enough for everyone. Many parts of the rest of the world are hugely more advanced than the UK in terms of net connectivity - and always have been, probably always will be. > Even once BT completes its 21st C project I doubt it will be possible. > Blaney?? Just exactly how 21C is this project? Does it involve routing fibre to every existing home in the land? -- Dnc |