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From: doetnietcomputeren on 27 May 2010 05:56 On 2010-05-27 11:27:40 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> said: >>>>>> Download allowances? How quaint. >>>>> >>>>> It's a strong word, but I hate you. >> >>>> I'm guessing you have really pikey speeds too? >>>> >>>> At the end of my current contract, I'm thinking of going up to 120 >>>> meg down/10 meg up (from my current 50d/5u). >>> >>> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >>> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice for >>> anything I do. >> >> Well, given you seem to be happy about having a download allowance >> increased, I presume that you download stuff. Sometimes it's nice to >> be able to download that stuff quickly. >> >> It's also nice to be able to fire up a VPN and be able to use it as >> intended - ie, seamlessly, as though one was connected to that etwork >> as a local client. Achieving this requires a decent speed connection. >> Especially if you want to move lots of data. >> >> If one is a user of video conferencing, it's nice to be able to use it >> as it was intended, ie, that it feels like you're actually talking >> real time and. not. stuttering. all. over. the. place. or. in. >> r$eal^y p0or qu4l1ty. >> >> If you want to do all of the above, at the same time, having a decent >> internet connection is also, really quite useful. >> >> Add to that bragging rights and the "just because you can" factor, and >> I put it to you, why *wouldn't* you want a stupidly fast connection >> speed? (cost aside). > > A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking domestic > internet. In the office requirements are higher. 1) I work from home, as do many other people. 2) I download from home, for personal and work. 3) I video conference (Skype etc) from home, for personal and work. 4) I VPN from home, for personal and work. Admittedly, mostly work. Are these concepts realy so alien to you? > Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea. > That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre backbones > could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links. I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's bollocks. -- Dnc
From: ginge on 27 May 2010 06:05 On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:27:40 +0100, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea. >That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre backbones >could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links. Giving everyone an uncontended 10 base T yes. Which is why in my example I used 10base2 as the standard - it was a contended link with a 10meg max throughput. I'd rather have a 10 meg link contended at 20:1 than and uncontended 1 meg link, as most of the time I'm using it the former will actually work out the quicker of the two.
From: Ace on 27 May 2010 06:11 On Thu, 27 May 2010 11:05:45 +0100, ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:27:40 +0100, "Hog" ><sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >>Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea. >>That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre backbones >>could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links. > >Giving everyone an uncontended 10 base T yes. > >Which is why in my example I used 10base2 as the standard - it was a >contended link with a 10meg max throughput. > >I'd rather have a 10 meg link contended at 20:1 than and uncontended 1 >meg link, as most of the time I'm using it the former will actually >work out the quicker of the two. It's english, Jim, but not as we know it...
From: Hog on 27 May 2010 06:41 doetnietcomputeren <doesnotcompute(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-27 11:27:40 +0200, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> > said: >>>>>>> Download allowances? How quaint. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a strong word, but I hate you. >>> >>>>> I'm guessing you have really pikey speeds too? >>>>> >>>>> At the end of my current contract, I'm thinking of going up to 120 >>>>> meg down/10 meg up (from my current 50d/5u). >>>> >>>> Point of order: why would you want a 120mb domestic internet >>>> connection. A genuine 1mb of uncontended bandwidth would suffice >>>> for anything I do. >>> >>> Well, given you seem to be happy about having a download allowance >>> increased, I presume that you download stuff. Sometimes it's nice to >>> be able to download that stuff quickly. >>> >>> It's also nice to be able to fire up a VPN and be able to use it as >>> intended - ie, seamlessly, as though one was connected to that >>> etwork as a local client. Achieving this requires a decent speed >>> connection. Especially if you want to move lots of data. >>> >>> If one is a user of video conferencing, it's nice to be able to use >>> it as it was intended, ie, that it feels like you're actually >>> talking real time and. not. stuttering. all. over. the. place. or. >>> in. r$eal^y p0or qu4l1ty. >>> >>> If you want to do all of the above, at the same time, having a >>> decent internet connection is also, really quite useful. >>> >>> Add to that bragging rights and the "just because you can" factor, >>> and I put it to you, why *wouldn't* you want a stupidly fast >>> connection speed? (cost aside). >> >> A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking >> domestic internet. In the office requirements are higher. > > 1) I work from home, as do many other people. > 2) I download from home, for personal and work. > 3) I video conference (Skype etc) from home, for personal and work. > 4) I VPN from home, for personal and work. Admittedly, mostly work. > > Are these concepts realy so alien to you? All those are practical with a proper 1mb connection. I'm talking here about a 1meg leased line equivalent. All the UK hype about 20meg BB is mostly that, hype. It is contended at one point or another. If you prefer lets settle on 5 or 10megs >> Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft >> idea. That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national >> fibre backbones could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg >> real time links. > > I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's > bollocks. Well remember I have co-owned an ISP. It doesn't take much working out. Muiltiply your desires by the number of BB households. Add all the corporate use. No wonder if UK Telco fibre transmission gear can move all that around uncontended. I suggest not. Even once BT completes its 21st C project I doubt it will be possible. Blaney?? -- Hog
From: Hog on 27 May 2010 06:44
ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:27:40 +0100, "Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft >> idea. That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national >> fibre backbones could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg >> real time links. > > Giving everyone an uncontended 10 base T yes. > > Which is why in my example I used 10base2 as the standard - it was a > contended link with a 10meg max throughput. > > I'd rather have a 10 meg link contended at 20:1 than and uncontended 1 > meg link, as most of the time I'm using it the former will actually > work out the quicker of the two. Only until everyone else starts doing the same. If you really use up 20meg downloads I expect they will be disconnecting you under the new Act soon anyway. There is another angle, most of what high bandwidth connections might get used for is probably dodgy anyway. -- Hog |