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From: 'Hog on 18 Jan 2010 10:19 Leszek Karlik wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:19:53 +0100, steve auvache > <dont_spam(a)thecow.me.uk> wrote: > > [...] >> Nuclear Power perhaps? Not likely or it is game over >> before it has even begun and where the world might recover in a >> century or two after us from a bit of C02 no way will it survive a >> few chenobyls and their after effects. > > Yeah, we all know the dreadful Chernobyls will rove the postnuclear > landscape > of the devastated Earth, eating small babies alive and spitting out > their little bones (which will glow sickly green in the dark). > > FFS. There was only one Chernobyl, the design of the reactor was > unsafe, the death toll wasn't really that much (and primarily among > the people who went in to plug the leak), even taking into account > small statistical increase in cancer-related deaths in the > neighbouring areas. WHO study has shown that about 50 people have > died directly because of Chernobyl, and about 4000 might have died > earlier because of Chernobyl. Coal kills many, many more people (both > directly - coal mining is not a safe job - and indirectly, by cancer > caused by atmospheric emissions). > > The number of deaths per TWh for coal energy is 161 deaths per TWh > worldwide, > 25 deaths per TWh in the EU. > > Nuclear, taking into account Chernobyl, is 0,04 deaths per TWh. > > > I know, facts only stand in the way of a good emotional outcry. > "Think of the Chernobyls, we're all gonna die, aaaeeieieie!" > > Sigh. The old gimmer doesn't know anything about power generation. Yeah most power generation should be from Nuclear and natural resources. Tidal and wave. Wind and Hydro. Solar where they get the sun. But all of this is already tried and tested by the French. Not that they can't be improved on. All the anti nuke lobby conveniently forget 67% of French generation. As for accidents, power station accidents might not be good for folks living close by at the time. But global environmental damage for other than people, not a lot. Chernoble has become a bit of a wildlife haven. In an advanced reactor design a Chernoble type incident isn't possible. It was an ancient badly designed badly run POS. -- Hog
From: 'Hog on 18 Jan 2010 10:25 Colin Irvine wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000, steve auvache squeezed out the > following: > >> Note for example that Hog totally >> leaves out where we are going to get all this electricity to replace >> the oil and gas. Nuclear Power perhaps? Not likely or it is game >> over before it has even begun and where the world might recover in a >> century or two after us from a bit of C02 no way will it survive a >> few chenobyls and their after effects. > > I think much more of a problem is what to do with all the nuclear > waste. I'm sure that's a serious comment so I'll answer. It comes in two parts. The industrial plant has to be designed in a modular way that is easy to handle in service and during decommissioning. Waste should be stored in deep underground repositories. If you use Salt Domes there is already enough capacity for the next few thousand years. UKAEA et all want to dig a new and custom deep repository out under the Irish sea so stuff goes straight from Sellafield. Either way it really isn't a technology barrier. It will be a whole lot less pollution that the oil and coal industries produce. -- Hog
From: 'Hog on 18 Jan 2010 10:26 Colin Irvine wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:51 -0000, 'Hog squeezed out the following: >> Centralised heating systems need to go electric, >> everywhere, shutting off supplies of oil and gas except where mains >> power is not available. > > How are you going to generate all that electricity? See France. -- Hog
From: 'Hog on 18 Jan 2010 10:29 Mick Whittingham wrote: > I thought this applicable: > > http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/the-daily-cartoon-760940.html I rather think they are responsible for their own problems. -- Hog
From: Krusty on 18 Jan 2010 10:29
'Hog wrote: > Colin Irvine wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:51 -0000, 'Hog squeezed out the following: > > > Centralised heating systems need to go electric, > > > everywhere, shutting off supplies of oil and gas except where > > > mains power is not available. > > > > How are you going to generate all that electricity? > > See France. Am I the only one who parsed that as SeaFrance & got a bit confused? -- Krusty '03 Tiger 955i '02 MV Senna '96 Tiger (for sale) '79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale) |