How to save Harley Davidison
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From: S'mee on 19 Jul 2010 13:09 On Jul 19, 9:07 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 7/19/2010 10:52 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> On 7/19/2010 8:17 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>> On Jul 17, 1:11 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>> On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > >>>>>>>>> Gentleman) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and > >>>>>>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to > >>>>>>>>>>>> argue otherwise. > > >>>>>>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? > > >>>>>>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's > >>>>>>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. > > >>>>>>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? > > >>>>>>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about > >>>>>>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus > >>>>>>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, > > >>>>>>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. > > >>>>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then > >>>>>>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the > >>>>>>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? > > >>>>>> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. > > >>>>> Yesterday: > > >>>>> "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as > >>>>> reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 > >>>>> bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, > >>>>> _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." > > >>>> The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure > >>>> them in then Harley has 34 percent. > > >>> Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley > >>> doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American > >>> streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to > >>> be saved. > > >> A third of one country's market is nothing to brag about. > > > Not sure who you think is bragging about it. > > >> If they had a third of the world market then I'd be impressed. > > > I doubt it. Regardless, I'm not convinced that failing to impress you > > means Harley-Davidson desperately needs to be saved. > > No, you probably won't think they "need to be saved" after they have > been bought out by the Yongkang Shining Motorcycle Company and all > production moved to Jinhua. BFHFD...who gives a damn? I don't...can't make me care either.
From: Vito on 19 Jul 2010 16:17
tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley > doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American > streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to > be saved. What <grin>! My Sportster isn't a dual-sport? Jeeze the GS BMWs and similar weigh about the same ...... |