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From: don (Calgary) on 16 Jul 2010 14:36
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:36:24 -0600, "Bob Myers"
<nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote:

>don (Calgary) wrote:
>
>> Being talked about period is a measure of success for a motorcycle
>> company. Most non riders think motorcycle, they think Harley.
>
>Not unless "being talked about" translates into sales. (In
>this case it can be argued that it does, but that's beside
>my point.)

I agree being talked about is not "the" measure of success, but it
does indicate your company or product is well known, which could
translate into sales.

>The only "measures of success" for a motorcycle
>company are precisely the same as for any other comany -
>profitability, shareholder value, and other such purely
>financial parameters.
I think there are others, but wouldn't disagree with your list.

>Those who forget that - at least, those
>who are actually charged with running a company, and who
>forget that - and start thinking it's about "mindshare" or
>"image" or some such as ends in themselves are pretty much
>always doomed to be the ones leading their companies into
>oblivion.
>
In am not in total agreement with you there. Dollars and cents need to
be balanced with corporate ethics, corporate values and a positive
human resource program.
From: Mark Olson on 16 Jul 2010 14:41
tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2:07 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>> Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote:

>>> Since H-D's target demographic seems to be in no danger of drying up,
>>> what would make you think they are in any danger of going under? They
>>> have a loyal following, new potential owners are coming along on a
>>> regular basis, and they have proved now that they can continue to
>>> profitably sell the same type of bike, recycled into various forms,
>>> more or less indefinitely.

>> If the new owners continue to come through, then I think you're probably
>> right.
>
> The "new owners," in this case, being the ones that have guided the
> company since 1981.

Bzzt! In this context "new owners" == buyers of the bikes, not the management
of H-D.


From: tomorrow on 16 Jul 2010 14:44
On Jul 16, 2:41 pm, Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote:
> tomor...(a)erols.com wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 2:07 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> >> Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Since H-D's target demographic seems to be in no danger of drying up,
> >>> what would make you think they are in any danger of going under?  They
> >>> have a loyal following, new potential owners are coming along on a
> >>> regular basis, and they have proved now that they can continue to
> >>> profitably sell the same type of bike, recycled into various forms,
> >>> more or less indefinitely.
> >> If the new owners continue to come through, then I think you're probably
> >> right.
>
> > The "new owners," in this case, being the ones that have guided the
> > company since 1981.
>
> Bzzt!  In this context "new owners" == buyers of the bikes, not the management
> of H-D.

Oh, I didn't get that in the context, at all.
From: tomorrow on 16 Jul 2010 14:44
On Jul 16, 2:41 pm, Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote:
> tomor...(a)erols.com wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 2:07 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> >> Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Since H-D's target demographic seems to be in no danger of drying up,
> >>> what would make you think they are in any danger of going under?  They
> >>> have a loyal following, new potential owners are coming along on a
> >>> regular basis, and they have proved now that they can continue to
> >>> profitably sell the same type of bike, recycled into various forms,
> >>> more or less indefinitely.
> >> If the new owners continue to come through, then I think you're probably
> >> right.
>
> > The "new owners," in this case, being the ones that have guided the
> > company since 1981.
>
> Bzzt!  In this context "new owners" == buyers of the bikes, not the management
> of H-D.

Oh, oops, in re-reading it, I see that I missed the context entirely.

Never mind!
From: Bob Myers on 16 Jul 2010 16:02
tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote:
> Well, it's reeky, and it's wintertime, and no one can get out for a
> ride, and....

WINTERTIME? Have you changed hemispheres on us,
er sumthin'?

Bob M.


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