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From: The Older Gentleman on 17 Jul 2010 11:55 J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 7/17/2010 8:36 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote: > > J. Clarke<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > >> But the bike division isn't a stand-alone and that's the whole > >> point--the bike division has the resources of all of BMW to call on--the > >> test tracks and the supercomputers and the research labs and the wind > >> tunnels and the bank accounts and the whole nine yards. > > > > Yes. I'd be surprised if the coporate accounting doesn't rquire the bike > > division to 'pay' for them, though, in the sense that "Three hours in > > the wind tunnel means umpteen thousand euros off your bottom line." > > > > Other companies do it that way. Dunno about BMW. > > Which doesn't matter--BMW _has_ those resources available. Oh, I see what you're getting at, completely. > Does Harley? > And you can bet that any division of BMW gets priority and discounted > pricing on access compared to Harley having to pay retail and stand in > line behind the in-house priorities at whatever tunnel they can find to > buy time on, if they even bother with such things. > I'm sure you're right here as well..... I've no idea how they account for these things - and nor do you - but I'm more than ready to believe that BMW bike division will pay less than, for example, the open market rate. -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: J. Clarke on 17 Jul 2010 13:19 On 7/17/2010 11:55 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote: > J. Clarke<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> On 7/17/2010 8:36 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote: >>> J. Clarke<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> But the bike division isn't a stand-alone and that's the whole >>>> point--the bike division has the resources of all of BMW to call on--the >>>> test tracks and the supercomputers and the research labs and the wind >>>> tunnels and the bank accounts and the whole nine yards. >>> >>> Yes. I'd be surprised if the coporate accounting doesn't rquire the bike >>> division to 'pay' for them, though, in the sense that "Three hours in >>> the wind tunnel means umpteen thousand euros off your bottom line." >>> >>> Other companies do it that way. Dunno about BMW. >> >> Which doesn't matter--BMW _has_ those resources available. > > Oh, I see what you're getting at, completely. > >> Does Harley? >> And you can bet that any division of BMW gets priority and discounted >> pricing on access compared to Harley having to pay retail and stand in >> line behind the in-house priorities at whatever tunnel they can find to >> buy time on, if they even bother with such things. >> > I'm sure you're right here as well..... I've no idea how they account > for these things - and nor do you - but I'm more than ready to believe > that BMW bike division will pay less than, for example, the open market > rate. If it works like things do at United Technologies then it's really just moving some bits around in the computer. There's some elaborate algorithm for keeping the records but nobody except the bean-counters regard it as "real" money.
From: J. Clarke on 17 Jul 2010 13:11 On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >>>>> Gentleman) wrote: >>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and >>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to >>>>>>>> argue otherwise. >> >>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? >> >>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? >> >>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's >>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. >> >>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? >> >>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about >>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus >>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, >> >>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. >> >>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then >>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the >>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? >> >> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. > > Yesterday: > > "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as > reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 > bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, > _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure them in then Harley has 34 percent.
From: The Older Gentleman on 17 Jul 2010 14:23 don (Calgary) <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote: > Unbelievable Almost as unbelievable as your changing quoted text in a subsequent post (and leaving the original quoted text where everyone could see it). -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: don (Calgary) on 17 Jul 2010 15:12
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:23:26 +0100, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >don (Calgary) <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> Unbelievable > >Almost as unbelievable as your changing quoted text in a subsequent post >(and leaving the original quoted text where everyone could see it). Please point that out for me. I always try to leave the original text to avoid losing the context of my reply. If I misrepresented something I would like to know and I will correct it. |