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From: tomorrow on 19 Jul 2010 09:29 On Jul 18, 10:31 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > don (Calgary) <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > And on other occasions, your comments are just plain ridiculous and I > > have other things to do that are more important than you, such as > > rearranging the wires to my stereo. > > Jolly good. Run along, then:-) > > > > > Bottom line you are moving rapidly to netloon status and posts such as > > this last one from you speed up the decent. > > Wow. and this from an acknowledged obsessive.... > > Just give up your self-professed (and that *was* a silly thing to do in > a public forum) intention of continuing your little vendetta for as long > as it pleases you and all will be sweetness and light. > > But the longer you carry it on, the stupider and more obsessive you > look. Geez, guys. Just...... geez.
From: J. Clarke on 19 Jul 2010 09:43 On 7/19/2010 8:17 AM, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 17, 1:11 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >> On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >>>>>>> Gentleman) wrote: >>>>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and >>>>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to >>>>>>>>>> argue otherwise. >> >>>>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? >> >>>>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? >> >>>>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's >>>>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. >> >>>>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? >> >>>>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about >>>>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus >>>>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, >> >>>>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. >> >>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then >>>>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the >>>>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? >> >>>> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. >> >>> Yesterday: >> >>> "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as >>> reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 >>> bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, >>> _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." >> >> The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure >> them in then Harley has 34 percent. > > Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley > doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American > streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to > be saved. A third of one country's market is nothing to brag about. If they had a third of the world market then I'd be impressed.
From: tomorrow on 19 Jul 2010 10:52 On Jul 19, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 7/19/2010 8:17 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 1:11 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>> On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > >>>>>>> Gentleman) wrote: > >>>>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and > >>>>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to > >>>>>>>>>> argue otherwise. > > >>>>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? > > >>>>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? > > >>>>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's > >>>>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. > > >>>>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? > > >>>>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about > >>>>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus > >>>>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, > > >>>>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. > > >>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then > >>>>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the > >>>>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? > > >>>> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. > > >>> Yesterday: > > >>> "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as > >>> reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 > >>> bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, > >>> _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." > > >> The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure > >> them in then Harley has 34 percent. > > > Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley > > doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American > > streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to > > be saved. > A third of one country's market is nothing to brag about. Not sure who you think is bragging about it. > If they had a third of the world market then I'd be impressed. I doubt it. Regardless, I'm not convinced that failing to impress you means Harley-Davidson desperately needs to be saved.
From: J. Clarke on 19 Jul 2010 11:07 On 7/19/2010 10:52 AM, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 19, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >> On 7/19/2010 8:17 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 17, 1:11 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>> On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>> On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >>>>>>>>> Gentleman) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and >>>>>>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to >>>>>>>>>>>> argue otherwise. >> >>>>>>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? >> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? >> >>>>>>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's >>>>>>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. >> >>>>>>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? >> >>>>>>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about >>>>>>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus >>>>>>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, >> >>>>>>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. >> >>>>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then >>>>>>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the >>>>>>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? >> >>>>>> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. >> >>>>> Yesterday: >> >>>>> "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as >>>>> reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 >>>>> bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, >>>>> _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." >> >>>> The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure >>>> them in then Harley has 34 percent. >> >>> Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley >>> doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American >>> streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to >>> be saved. > >> A third of one country's market is nothing to brag about. > > Not sure who you think is bragging about it. > >> If they had a third of the world market then I'd be impressed. > > I doubt it. Regardless, I'm not convinced that failing to impress you > means Harley-Davidson desperately needs to be saved. No, you probably won't think they "need to be saved" after they have been bought out by the Yongkang Shining Motorcycle Company and all production moved to Jinhua.
From: tomorrow on 19 Jul 2010 12:07
On Jul 19, 11:07 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 7/19/2010 10:52 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> On 7/19/2010 8:17 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>> On Jul 17, 1:11 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>> On 7/17/2010 10:35 AM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 17, 8:11 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 8:45 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:40 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 7/16/2010 2:35 PM, tomor...(a)erols.com wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > >>>>>>>>> Gentleman) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> tomor...(a)erols.com<tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> HD *is* a small volume producer, really, and yes, BMW, Ducati and > >>>>>>>>>>>> Triumph are even smaller. Moto Guzzi smaller still It's impossible to > >>>>>>>>>>>> argue otherwise. > > >>>>>>>>>>> How do you define "small volume producer," then? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who doesn't produce millions of scooters and mopeds? > > >>>>>>>>>> I think anything over half a million units counts as volume in today's > >>>>>>>>>> world, but ultimately it's pointless trying to establish a yardstick. > > >>>>>>>>>> Millions of scooters and mopeds certainly count - why shouldn't they? > > >>>>>>>>> Because in general, when motorcycle enthusists think about > >>>>>>>>> motorcycles, they don't think about mopeds and scooters. And thus > >>>>>>>>> Harley, with 40+% of the current total U.S. streetbike market, > > >>>>>>>> Not even Harley claims 40 percent. > > >>>>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't true. Are you claiming it isn't true? Then > >>>>>>> which of the sales numbers that I have cited from Harley, BMW, and the > >>>>>>> Motorcycle Industry Council (which all agree, btw) is incorrect? > > >>>>>> Please provide a link to the post, I haven't seen it. > > >>>>> Yesterday: > > >>>>> "Total U.S. on-highway motorcycle sales for 2009 were 357,691 as > >>>>> reported by the Motorcycle Industry Council, and Harley sold 144,464 > >>>>> bikes in the U.S., for a total of 40.4% of on-highway motorcycles, > >>>>> _including_ lightweight (50cc and up) bikes." > > >>>> The MIC reports scooters and dual-sports separately. When you figure > >>>> them in then Harley has 34 percent. > > >>> Ah, then, so including dual-sport bikes and scooters that Harley > >>> doesn't make, they have a mere one third share of the American > >>> streetbike market. No wonder Harley-Davidson so desperately needs to > >>> be saved. > > >> A third of one country's market is nothing to brag about. > > > Not sure who you think is bragging about it. > > >> If they had a third of the world market then I'd be impressed. > > > I doubt it. Regardless, I'm not convinced that failing to impress you > > means Harley-Davidson desperately needs to be saved. > > No, you probably won't think they "need to be saved" after they have > been bought out by the Yongkang Shining Motorcycle Company and all > production moved to Jinhua. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait to see if your bold prediction comes to pass. |