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From: Twibil on 15 Jul 2010 14:32 On Jul 15, 11:19 am, "tomor...(a)erols.com" <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Sorry. I admit to being somewhat touchy today. I am now repeating a > calming mantra. In Italian. Which I do not understand. But it is > calming me nonetheless. I always find that reflecting on how much the current Pope resembles the evil Emperor Palpatine from Starwars cheers me right up. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Popeandemperor.jpg
From: Bob Myers on 15 Jul 2010 16:28 tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: > On Jul 15, 2:11 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > Gentleman) wrote: >> Calm down. I'm not getting at you. Agreeing with you, iff anything. > > Sorry. I admit to being somewhat touchy today. I am now repeating a > calming mantra. In Italian. Which I do not understand. But it is > calming me nonetheless. "...Sangiovese....Soave....Barolo...Lambrusco...." Bob M.
From: don (Calgary) on 15 Jul 2010 18:20 On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:20:19 +0100, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >don (Calgary) <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:13:40 +0100, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk >> (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >> >> >High Plains Thumper <hpt(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, I'd like to see Harley put the water cooled V-Rod engine into >> >> a cruiser. I know it would break the mould of oil cooled offerings at >> >> the loss of the potato - potato - potato sound. But I feel that it is >> >> inevitable that such should happen. >> > >> >Agree 100%. >> > >> >I'd also like to see it in a more coherent touring bike than what they >> >make at the moment. Something with a decent chassis, more power >> >(obviously!), more ground clearance and the sort of sophistication that >> >would give BMW a few worries. >> > >> >They could do it - they just *choose* not to. Which is a bit odd. >> >> They could choose build a better mouse trap too, but that is not in >> their business plan. > >Ah, if you know their business plan, you're doing better than I am. Care to place a wager on whether or not building a mousetrap is part of their business plan? Of course not. > >> They know what they do well and they understand >> what their customers are looking for. To date they are doing a damn >> good job of keeping their customers happy. I doubt they care very much >> you find it "odd". > >Really. I find it odd that, for example, they've not made a flat twin >for the thick end of 40-50 years. > >(Actually, nor has anyone else I can think of except for the Russians - >and Chinese). As I noted before I doubt very much they care what you might think is odd.
From: don (Calgary) on 15 Jul 2010 18:54 On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:11:40 +0100, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >tomorrow(a)erols.com <tomorrowaterolsdotcom(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I specifically stated that "MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT it was Honda's >> response to dethrone the Kawasaki KZ900;" I never so much as hinted >> that that was Honda's marketing thrust for the bike. > >Calm down. I'm not getting at you. Agreeing with you, iff anything. >Blimey, it's like being on the receiving end of another misdirected >Calgary posting :-) Of course if you could write with clarity, you wouldn't keep running into this problem.
From: Odinn on 15 Jul 2010 18:51
J. Clarke wrote: > > > On 7/15/2010 10:11 AM, T.J. Higgins wrote: >> In article<i1lq360239a(a)news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke wrote: >>> On 7/14/2010 9:17 PM, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote: >>>> On Jul 14, 7:47 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>>> On 7/14/2010 7:02 PM, don (Calgary) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:12:37 -0600, "Bob Myers" >>>>>> <nospample...(a)address.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Beav wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm interested to know which bikes the Japanese produced were in >>>>>>>> competition with Harley? Until they produced the Harely clones I >>>>>>>> can't think of one. >>>>> >>>>>>> But you're not thinking in the right context. Any product that >>>>>>> is sold in a given market which can take a share of that market >>>>>> >from you is a competitor. At the time, Japanese standards, etc., >>>>>>> were seen as a possible alternative for buyers that might otherwise >>>>>>> have purchased a product from H-D. >>>>> >>>>>>> Bob M. >>>>> >>>>>> Excellent point. >>>>> >>>>>> When I was in the retail business, my stores were in competition with >>>>>> every other store in a shopping center, regardless of whether they >>>>>> sold identical products to what I was selling. We were all competing >>>>>> for the consumers disposable income. >>>>> >>>>> Of course if someone wants a standard and Harley doesn't make one, >>>>> that's Harley's error. You can't win unless you play the game. >>>> >>>> Of course, untold previously successful businesses have gone under, >>>> "playing" that game. >>> >>> And every motorcyle manufacturer in America except Harley has gone under >>> by _not_ playing it. >> >> AFAIK, Victory does not make a standard. > > But Victory is a sideline for a snowmobile manufacturer that also owns a > good sized chunk of KTM, and Victory has been in existence for just over > a decade so it's a bit soon to be betting on their long-term stability. Kawasaki Motorcycles is a sideline for a LARGE Japanese Conglomerate Yamaha Motorcylces is a sideline for a musical instrument company. -- Odinn RCOS #7 SENS BS #154 Nothing but net to reply |