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From: ogden on 22 Dec 2009 14:42 R C Nesbit wrote: > Hog spoke: > > # it should be cheaper than banging folk up for life > > If they simply changed the wording from 'life Sentence' to > 'Death Sentence' - meaning you are sentenced to prison > until you die, would have some effect. Do you really believe that lifers can't change? And can you imagine what a pit of vipers the lifer wing of a prison would be if everyone there was stuck for ever with no chance of parole? Try thinking for once. -- ogden
From: Andy Bonwick on 22 Dec 2009 14:50 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:42:40 -0000, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >R C Nesbit wrote: >> Hog spoke: >> > # it should be cheaper than banging folk up for life >> >> If they simply changed the wording from 'life Sentence' to >> 'Death Sentence' - meaning you are sentenced to prison >> until you die, would have some effect. > >Do you really believe that lifers can't change? And can you imagine what >a pit of vipers the lifer wing of a prison would be if everyone there >was stuck for ever with no chance of parole? > But they're criminals so they don't count. >Try thinking for once. He's a victim so expect nothing better from him.
From: Ace on 22 Dec 2009 15:13 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:42:40 -0000, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >R C Nesbit wrote: >> Hog spoke: >> > # it should be cheaper than banging folk up for life >> >> If they simply changed the wording from 'life Sentence' to >> 'Death Sentence' - meaning you are sentenced to prison >> until you die, would have some effect. In all cases, lifers are only released if they are deemed to no longer pose a threat. And once they're out they're only on licence so are constantly supervised and know they can be thrown back inside for the most minor of offences. >Do you really believe that lifers can't change? And can you imagine what >a pit of vipers the lifer wing of a prison would be if everyone there >was stuck for ever with no chance of parole? Good point. But Rope and Hog would probably think it OK, as long as they're only able to take it out on each other. >Try thinking for once. Fat chance of that happening.
From: Champ on 23 Dec 2009 10:05 On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:37:33 -0000, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >> I don't see any people agreeing with you, and plenty disagreeing. > >Plenty? not quite, and why do you expect people to chip in just to say they >agree. We both know that an awful lot of people agree with both of us. Typically, those who disagreed with you would respond to the posts from me, Ace, Ogden, etc >It all stemmed from me just asking you whether becoming the victim chnaged >how you felt about such things. It hasn't. HTH. -- Champ We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: Pete Fisher on 23 Dec 2009 10:08
In communiqu� <4b322a37$0$2493$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk>, 'Hog <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >Pete Fisher wrote: >> In communiqu� <4b3215fe$0$2475$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk>, 'Hog >> <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>> Ace wrote: >>>> You really are fucked in the head. Whatever they may (or in some >>>> cases, may not) have done they are still human beings. >>> >>> Perhaps you attach some special meaning to being human. I don't. It >>> isn't what you are but what you do that matters (to me). That's why >>> I don't give much credence to our Human Rights culture, it doesn't >>> place any onus on the individual. And isn't that debate one of the >>> great dividing issues today. >> >> Just your deeds, or your intentions? > >Tut. Deeds, Intentions...you know very well what I mean > Unsuccessful actions may have laudable motivations, and vice versa. I'm not sure that I do, unless you see the most basic (adult?) human rights as something which have to be somehow earned. The view that there are no rights without responsibilities gets my support, but your standpoint is much more extreme. The argument that those rights should be forfeited by becoming a career criminal has a superficial attraction, but it's the thin end of too large a wedge for me. You raise valid points: How should such individuals be dealt with? What is prison for? IMO, the answers to those questions is a measure of how civilized or psycho-socially evolved a society is. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter(a)ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Yamaha WR250Z/Supermoto "Old Gimmer's Hillclimber" | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ |