The amazing denial of what "conspiracy kooks" really means....
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From: Henry on 15 Feb 2007 19:06 P. "I'm not psychotic at all" Roehling obsessed: > Hen3ry > he's > Henry > Hen3ry's > him > he > Hen3ry's > Hen3ry's You're obsessing, hiding, and making fool of yourself again, Petie. So you've been exposed a liar and a weak minded fool by one of your many betters. Just accept it and move on or try to better yourself. Providing me with dozens of opportunities to expose your psychotic obsession and your cowardice really isn't helping you - but it is providing some mild amusement as well as some compelling reasons to feel grateful. <g> > It's one of the things that nations commonly do to their citizens. The > original idea of the Constitution was to prevent it from happening for as > long as might be possible, but it looks to me as if our time has run out. > The weakness of any democracy is that once a leader can convince a majority > of the voters that their safety lies in despotism, they will promptly vote > for it. > Then they will refuse to admit that it was a mistake. Petie claims that he voted for Bush. Now he claims that was a vote for despotism. He could be lying again, but whether he's lying or telling the truth, this is just more confirmation of his confused mental state. > (Shrug) Sorry about that. But when you post to Reeky it's "when > in Rome", and we tend to go for the throat. Yeah, Petie "I'm not psychotic at all" Roehling "goes for the throat" while hiding behind his killfile. Not unlike like a rabid puppy "going for the throat" by smashing his face bloody on the bars of his cage. <chuckle> -- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.911truth.org Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
From: Henry on 15 Feb 2007 19:13 BrianNZ wrote: > Henry wrote: >> BrianNZ wrote: >>> I'd like to thank you for your in depth answers. >> Which "in depth" wild speculation did you like best - the glass >> table analogy, the "gale force" winds that turned the towers into >> huge steel liquefying forges, the claim that the central cores melted >> in the world's first invisible raging inferno, or that all of Manhattan >> was in damger of falling like dominoes? <vbg> >> It's fun to watch magic fire sheep bob their heads to =anything= >> that supports the "offical" conspiracy theory, no matter how absurd >> or physically impossible. > I think MJ said it all with the following........ > ***{In the following, there are many claims of yours for which I have > supplied in-depth dissections, to which you have responded by simply > repeating your original assertions, or else by citing links to material > that ignores my reasoning. I'm tired of repeating myself, so those > responses will be simply snipped without comment. --MJ}*** There were no in depth dissections though. There was a lot wild, insupportable, sometimes comical speculation. Does MJ's comparison the steel frames in the towers to a glass coffee table make sense to you? I can see someone like Petie bobbing his head to that sort of nonsense, but you seem more sane than that. If MJ had said something compelling in support of the magic fire conspiracy theory, you'd have been able to quote it when I asked you to - four times. Vague rhetoric and wild, insupportable, even impossible speculation do not carry much weight. -- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.911truth.org Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
From: Yeebok on 16 Feb 2007 03:07 P.Roehling wrote: > "Yeebok" <yeebok(a)gmail.com> wrote > >> Settle, petal ! > > Thank you. > > If ever I decide that I need a net-nanny to make my decisions for me, you'll > be first in line. > > Excellent, I'll mail you my mobile number. :)
From: Mitchell Jones on 16 Feb 2007 06:35 In article <45D4F460.7F1E7B8C(a)bush.gov>, Henry <treason(a)bush.gov> wrote: > BrianNZ wrote: > > > Rather than waffle on trying to troll old posts, just keep to your > > points with Mitchell Jones. It's making for interesting reading and > > there's a few points he's brought to your attention that you > > haven't responded to. > > Too bad I missed them. Can you repost them so I can take a > look and reply? > This is the fourth time you were asked, by the way. Apparently, > those interesting points are as hard to find as a photo of > the gale force wind driven core melting raging infernos in > the towers. <g> > Doesn't it seem weird to write a post asking someone to respond > to a few interesting points, but when they ask you which points, > you just wonder off? Most folks would consider that to be rather > bizarre behavior. > Here's an example of a point MJ made that I think is highly > speculative and most likely impossible. He claimed that spilled > fuel from the jets burned inside the cores of the towers just as > hot as an oil fired forge, even melting the massive core box > columns. Those box columns measured about 4 feet by 3 feet each > and had 5 inch thick walls. ***{You have been arguing about this subject long enough to know that the core columns tapered from the bottoms to the tops of the towers, and, thus, that the figures you give, above, were not correct at the levels where the fires occurred. Don't you think you should have said so? Isn't that a material fact? For the record, the core columns had very thick walls and were larger in scale at the bottom, because they had to support more weight there, but were much thinner walled and smaller in size at the upper levels where the crashes occurred. In fact, above the 85th floor, I-beams had replaced the box columns, and the wall thickness was only 3/4th inch, not the 5 inches you claimed. Here is a quote from one of your "true believer" compadres about that, in fact: "...the dimensions of the columns reduced in size with increasing height. For example, at the base of the WTC some of these columns were 36 inches wide by 16 inches deep and 4 inches thick, whereas at the top, these box columns had transitioned to H-sections (I-sections) fabricated from 3/4 inch steel (the transition to H-sections occurred at floor 85)." [Source: http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/wtc/wtc-demolit ion.htm.] The crashes were above the 85th floor, so box beams were not involved, where the core columns were concerned, and the thickness was less than 1/6th of what you claim, above. --Mitchell Jones}*** > The forge not only burns fuel that has been vaporized and the > air fuel mixture optimized, but oxygen is forced in under pressure. ***{Standard conditions are assumed. That is the premise underlying verbal communication. And standard conditions in this case are that if you say "oxygen" is used, you mean pure oxygen, not air. And likewise, when you say "forced in under pressure," the implication is that the flow is out of a pressurized vessel (e.g., a tank containing pure oxygen). The reality, however, is that room temperature air was blown into the crucible using a small fan, and yet, despite that, the furnace (not a "forge") melted iron. Here is a quote: "If you've understood exactly how this system works you'll know that the internal heat build up, and enough fuel being burnt are very important for this system to generate the vast amounts of heat it's capable of. As it heats up, more fuel/air can be added to generate more heat, then more fuel/air is added generating yet more heat etc." [Source: http://www.artfulbodgermetalcasting.com/5.html.] Note, in the above, that the reference is to air, not oxygen. The other reference concerning home-made furnaces is the following: http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/index.html. Mostly, these furnaces do not melt iron. All of them, however, rely on air, not pure oxygen; and one of them, designed by Colin Peck, does in fact melt iron. And all of the conditions brought together in that design were also present in the conditions that existed in the World Trade Center. --Mitchell Jones}*** > A reasonably intelligent, logical person would ask how that could > have been duplicated inside the towers by spilled kerosene that > may have run down the sides of some of the steel columns. The > answer of course, is that it can't possibly be duplicated for > reasons so obvious that I won't insult your intelligence by explaining > them. > That claim is typical of the wild speculation, implausible, and > and even impossible scenarios we see from followers of the "official" > conspiracy theory. They must know it's all bullshit, or they wouldn't > take off running when they're asked very clear, reasonable, and > logical questions. <g> ***{This comment is not for Henry, but for others who may find themselves reading Henry: you are on your own, because I am really, really done arguing with him this time. (Honest! :-) Therefore I suggest that you trust nothing he says. If he says the sky is blue, ask for a reference. And if he gives one, check it very, very carefully. --MJ}*** ***************************************************************** If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility that you are in my killfile. --MJ
From: P.Roehling on 16 Feb 2007 15:08
"Yeebok" <yeebok(a)gmail.com> wrote > P.Roehling wrote: >> "Yeebok" <yeebok(a)gmail.com> wrote >> >>> Settle, petal ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> If ever I decide that I need a net-nanny to make my decisions for me, >> you'll be first in line. > > Excellent, I'll mail you my mobile number. :) Normally I'd advise you to not to hold your breath waiting for the call, but in this case I'll make an exception. |