The phone just rang... (Triumph project)
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From: Aham Brahmasmi on 16 Mar 2010 12:02 On Mar 16, 8:51 am, Mark Olson <ols...(a)tiny.invalid> wrote: > My point is, that even on relatively modern EFI systems, just because > there's a computer present, it doesn't necessarily follow that it is > in any way involved in activating the starter. I'd not be surprised > if you could rip out the computer on your K1100LT and the starter > would still turn. My Fizzer doesn't have foolish injection at all, it's carbonated. But the digital ignitor has to be hooked up to Spock the logic of whether or not the starter should be enabled to crank the engine...
From: Doug Payne on 16 Mar 2010 12:17 On 3/16/2010 11:31 AM, TOG(a)Toil wrote: > On 16 Mar, 13:54, "S'mee"<stevenkei...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Well I can't say as you could do it for some bloated lump like a >> Harley, but...Honda and couple other trials bike makers have gone FI >> with no battery adn a kick start. Not sure how they fiddle it BUT it >> works.<shrug> But those are little bikes. > > Still interesting. Montesa 4RT.
From: Aham Brahmasmi on 16 Mar 2010 12:53 On Mar 16, 9:17 am, Doug Payne <dwpa...(a)ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > Montesa 4RT. Apparently kick start FI motorcycles without batteries do exist. It looks to me like that machine has a battery-eliminator condensor to run the FI and the cooling fan which are actually powered by an alternator...
From: TOG on 16 Mar 2010 13:11 On 16 Mar, 16:53, Aham Brahmasmi <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 16, 9:17 am, Doug Payne <dwpa...(a)ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > > > Montesa 4RT. > > Apparently kick start FI motorcycles without batteries do exist. > > It looks to me like that machine has a battery-eliminator condensor to > run the FI and the cooling fan which are actually powered by an > alternator... You live and learn. On small bikes, then it's feasible. "Most EFI requires a battery to run the fuel pump and electronics on startup. But on the Montesa, enough power is provided by the upsized, high-output alternator to inject fuel and fire the bike on a single kick. To further ensure easy starting, all of the alternators output is diverted to the EFI/ignition during kickstarts" Not on Harleys or big bikes, though....
From: Twibil on 16 Mar 2010 13:32
On Mar 16, 2:54 am, "TOG(a)Toil" <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > That's when I confirmed that no, you > really can't bump-start an FI engine. 'Scuse me? I did it on my very fuel-injected Honda VFR800 when a brand-new battery went belly up and I killed the engine under circumstances quite similar to yours. Put it in neutral, ran in down the road about 30 yards, leaped on board, kicked it into 2nd gear, dropped the clutch, and it started right up and took me home. Might not have been able to work up enough inertia if I hadn't had a slight dowhill grade to work with, though. |