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From: Ben Kaufman on 17 May 2010 15:21 On Fri, 14 May 2010 03:57:51 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote: >On May 13, 11:04�pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...(a)gmail.com> >wrote: >> "BryanUT" <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:e95cd73b-b0db-435d-84bd-eddedb4a33f9(a)k25g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 >> >> Disturbing but not necessarily criminal. >> >> The officer was already in adrenaline mode because of (a) the motorcycles >> peeled out, seemingly in an attempt to elude/flee, > >If them accelerating from a stop like a couple silly buddies on >Harleys often do, he had no business being by himself. > >(b) one motorcyclist lost control and skipped a curb, also reinforcing >in the officer's mind that there was some attempt to flee > >Funny, it reinforced in my mind that the Harley guy was woefully >inexperienced and freaked out when the cop lit him up. > >> (c) the motorcyclist who was shot had a >> concealed right hand and began to turn and bring his arm back. > >The officer could have simply issued a command to turn around and put >his hands on the bars. Shooting that guy may not have been with >malice, but if that officer is that trigger happy, he needs to find a >new vocation. This is why Andy never let Barney keep bullets in his gun. :-( Ben
From: S'mee on 17 May 2010 15:30 On May 17, 11:21 am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote: heh you really are stupid aren't you? Well, see you later fruitcake I'm heading to the playroom to frolick in conubial bliss with the wife. 8^) Confident in the fact that you and all the other 9/11 truthers are fruicakes and idiots...not to mention lying sacks of sexless losers.
From: MikeWhy on 18 May 2010 01:35 Datesfat Chicks wrote: > "Henry" <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote in message > news:hsrs1i$sf7$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >> Henry wrote: >>> BryanUT wrote: >>>> On May 13, 12:08 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 >> >>>> Follow up: >>>> http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Officers-testify-shooting-was-justified-mz >> >> Guilty... >> >> http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0515/guilty-verdict-ohio-cop-shot-unarmed-motorcyclist/ > > Wow. I think the article was matter-of-fact. Instead of repeating > the command, he pulled the trigger. > > Ouch ouch ouch. Ouch? A young man in the prime of his youth lies paralyzed, and the entire thought is "Ouch"? As though this isn't the foreseeable outcome of arming traffic detail and meter maids? A caning with a feather duster is excessive use of force in connection with traffic statute infractions. It seems plain to me that everyone, and I mean police departments and every news video junkie, has lost their sense of perspective. The world has gone mad. How many honestly think meaningful police reforms are coming any time soon?
From: Datesfat Chicks on 18 May 2010 09:34 "MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hst8va$4cc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Datesfat Chicks wrote: >> "Henry" <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote in message >> news:hsrs1i$sf7$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >>> Henry wrote: >>>> BryanUT wrote: >>>>> On May 13, 12:08 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>>>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 >>> >>>>> Follow up: >>>>> http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Officers-testify-shooting-was-justified-mz >>> >>> Guilty... >>> >>> http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0515/guilty-verdict-ohio-cop-shot-unarmed-motorcyclist/ >> >> Wow. I think the article was matter-of-fact. Instead of repeating >> the command, he pulled the trigger. >> >> Ouch ouch ouch. > > Ouch? A young man in the prime of his youth lies paralyzed, and the entire > thought is "Ouch"? As though this isn't the foreseeable outcome of arming > traffic detail and meter maids? A caning with a feather duster is > excessive use of force in connection with traffic statute infractions. It > seems plain to me that everyone, and I mean police departments and every > news video junkie, has lost their sense of perspective. The world has gone > mad. How many honestly think meaningful police reforms are coming any time > soon? I've always been of the opinion that nearly all people who get shot by the police bring it on themselves in one way or another. Usually it involves insensitivity to the officer's fear for his own life. For example, it is ill-advised to reach for paperwork in the glove box before the officer has arrived at your window. It is also ill-advised to keep your hands in your pockets (especially loose pockets), etc. Even the Diallo shooting has some ill-advised behavior by Mr. Diallo. However, looking at the shooting video -- that could have been me. When my starter switch and headlight went suddenly inoperative one night the Marshall police stopped me. I didn't want to turn off the bike (the starter switch was inoperative), so I motioned for the officers to come forward. They responded by turning on the extra-bright lights ... I knew at that time that anything further I did was just going to make them more suspicious, so I turned off the bike and got off to chat with them. I knew that doing anything else was going to escalate their suspicion and perhaps escalate the situation. They did not shoot. But my behavior was just as suspicious and perhaps just as threatening as the victim in the video. He did nothing to deserve what he got. "Ouch" wasn't strong enough. You are correct. Datesfat
From: MikeWhy on 18 May 2010 12:40
Datesfat Chicks wrote: > "MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hst8va$4cc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Datesfat Chicks wrote: >>> "Henry" <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote in message >>> news:hsrs1i$sf7$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >>>> Henry wrote: >>>>> BryanUT wrote: >>>>>> On May 13, 12:08 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 >>>> >>>>>> Follow up: >>>>>> http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Officers-testify-shooting-was-justified-mz >>>> >>>> Guilty... >>>> >>>> http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0515/guilty-verdict-ohio-cop-shot-unarmed-motorcyclist/ >>> >>> Wow. I think the article was matter-of-fact. Instead of repeating >>> the command, he pulled the trigger. >>> >>> Ouch ouch ouch. >> >> Ouch? A young man in the prime of his youth lies paralyzed, and the >> entire thought is "Ouch"? As though this isn't the foreseeable >> outcome of arming traffic detail and meter maids? A caning with a >> feather duster is excessive use of force in connection with traffic >> statute infractions. It seems plain to me that everyone, and I mean >> police departments and every news video junkie, has lost their sense >> of perspective. The world has gone mad. How many honestly think >> meaningful police reforms are coming any time soon? > > I've always been of the opinion that nearly all people who get shot > by the police bring it on themselves in one way or another. Usually > it involves insensitivity to the officer's fear for his own life. For > example, it is ill-advised to reach for paperwork in the glove > box before the officer has arrived at your window. It is also > ill-advised to keep your hands in your pockets (especially loose > pockets), etc. > Even the Diallo shooting has some ill-advised behavior by Mr. Diallo. > > However, looking at the shooting video -- that could have been me. When my > starter switch and headlight went suddenly inoperative one > night the Marshall police stopped me. I didn't want to turn off the > bike (the starter switch was inoperative), so I motioned for the > officers to come forward. They responded by turning on the > extra-bright lights ... I knew at that time that anything further I > did was just going to make them more suspicious, so I turned off the > bike and got off to chat with them. I knew that doing anything else > was going to escalate their suspicion and perhaps escalate the > situation. > They did not shoot. > > But my behavior was just as suspicious and perhaps just as > threatening as the victim in the video. > > He did nothing to deserve what he got. > > "Ouch" wasn't strong enough. You are correct. I don't intend anything personal in this. Your thoughts and reactions are my expectations for the general public. It's this general acceptance of the status quo that I'm speaking out against. It should be general knowledge but somehow escaped public notice that you and I are not just empowered but are morally bound to intercede and make felony arrests. The only real difference, then, between us and uniformed police is they are also empowered to arrest for misdemeanors and statute infractions. And for that difference, we assign to them power of life and death in the most insanely simple and common situations. Can you imagine yourself drawing on and then firing on someone for jaywalking? How far is that from what we all saw in this video? Yes, it could have been you. The real crime and issue here is not simple speeding. Once the cop is on the scene, the real issue is compliance and respect for the uniform. We've given them too much power. Just write the damn ticket and let's both just get on with our lives. |