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From: Henry on 18 May 2010 15:11 S'mee wrote: > On May 18, 12:16 pm, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote: >> Vito wrote: >>> Bwahahaha! God you do live in a dream world. The cop will never go to >>> prison. >> Because, we "all" "know" that no cop has ever gone to prison, just >> like no government has ever planned or carried out a false flag terror >> attack, right Veto? <g> > A new record for you! Two lies in one sentence... Sarcasm, nutter. Have someone with a working mind (and who is functionally literate) look it up and tell you what it means... <chuckle> -- "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." -- Albert Einstein. http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.journalof911studies.com/ http://www.ae911truth.org
From: saddlebag on 18 May 2010 18:26 On May 18, 12:40 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Datesfat Chicks wrote: > > "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:hst8va$4cc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> Datesfat Chicks wrote: > >>> "Henry" <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote in message > >>>news:hsrs1i$sf7$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... > >>>> Henry wrote: > >>>>> BryanUT wrote: > >>>>>> On May 13, 12:08 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 > > >>>>>> Follow up: > >>>>>>http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Officers-testify-shooting-was... > > >>>> Guilty... > > >>>>http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0515/guilty-verdict-ohio-cop-shot-unarmed.... > > >>> Wow. I think the article was matter-of-fact. Instead of repeating > >>> the command, he pulled the trigger. > > >>> Ouch ouch ouch. > > >> Ouch? A young man in the prime of his youth lies paralyzed, and the > >> entire thought is "Ouch"? As though this isn't the foreseeable > >> outcome of arming traffic detail and meter maids? A caning with a > >> feather duster is excessive use of force in connection with traffic > >> statute infractions. It seems plain to me that everyone, and I mean > >> police departments and every news video junkie, has lost their sense > >> of perspective. The world has gone mad. How many honestly think > >> meaningful police reforms are coming any time soon? > > > I've always been of the opinion that nearly all people who get shot > > by the police bring it on themselves in one way or another. Usually > > it involves insensitivity to the officer's fear for his own life. For > > example, it is ill-advised to reach for paperwork in the glove > > box before the officer has arrived at your window. It is also > > ill-advised to keep your hands in your pockets (especially loose > > pockets), etc. > > Even the Diallo shooting has some ill-advised behavior by Mr. Diallo. > > > However, looking at the shooting video -- that could have been me. When my > > starter switch and headlight went suddenly inoperative one > > night the Marshall police stopped me. I didn't want to turn off the > > bike (the starter switch was inoperative), so I motioned for the > > officers to come forward. They responded by turning on the > > extra-bright lights ... I knew at that time that anything further I > > did was just going to make them more suspicious, so I turned off the > > bike and got off to chat with them. I knew that doing anything else > > was going to escalate their suspicion and perhaps escalate the > > situation. > > They did not shoot. > > > But my behavior was just as suspicious and perhaps just as > > threatening as the victim in the video. > > > He did nothing to deserve what he got. > > > "Ouch" wasn't strong enough. You are correct. > > I don't intend anything personal in this. Your thoughts and reactions are my > expectations for the general public. It's this general acceptance of the > status quo that I'm speaking out against. > > It should be general knowledge but somehow escaped public notice that you > and I are not just empowered but are morally bound to intercede and make > felony arrests. The only real difference, then, between us and uniformed > police is they are also empowered to arrest for misdemeanors and statute > infractions. And for that difference, we assign to them power of life and > death in the most insanely simple and common situations. Can you imagine > yourself drawing on and then firing on someone for jaywalking? How far is > that from what we all saw in this video? Yes, it could have been you. > > The real crime and issue here is not simple speeding. Once the cop is on the > scene, the real issue is compliance and respect for the uniform. We've given > them too much power. Just write the damn ticket and let's both just get on > with our lives. I'm not even sure they were guilty of speeding. Sure they accelerated rapidly, but so far as I know, there is no law against that. They were however drunk, and the guy that got spooked and ran off the road should have his motorcycle license revoked until he can prove he isn't an imbecile. But if we are going to take guns away from screened and ostensibly well trained cops, how can we logically pass out concealed carry permits to anyone who has yet to be convicted of murdering someone and passes a basic competency test? Personally, I don't think they have too much power, but they do need to know that they will be held accountable if they use it foolishly.
From: BryanUT on 18 May 2010 19:01 On May 18, 4:26 pm, saddlebag <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Personally, I don't think they have too much power, but they do need > to know that they will be held accountable if they use it foolishly. > Are you insane? They are rarely "held accountable". And yes they have way to much power. Good lord Saddle, I thought you actually read the news. If you want I'll be happy to provide multiple links showing the abuse of power. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=detroit+swat+7+year+old+girl or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maryland+police+beating or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=motorcyclist+arrested+for+videoing+police Doesn't anyone else see a pattern here?
From: Robert Bolton on 19 May 2010 00:42 On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote: >On May 18, 12:40�pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Datesfat Chicks wrote: >> > "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >news:hst8va$4cc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> Datesfat Chicks wrote: >> >>> "Henry" <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote in message >> >>>news:hsrs1i$sf7$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >> >>>> Henry wrote: >> >>>>> BryanUT wrote: >> >>>>>> On May 13, 12:08 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661 >> >> >>>>>> Follow up: >> >>>>>>http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Officers-testify-shooting-was... >> >> >>>> �Guilty... >> >> >>>>http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0515/guilty-verdict-ohio-cop-shot-unarmed... >> >> >>> Wow. �I think the article was matter-of-fact. �Instead of repeating >> >>> the command, he pulled the trigger. >> >> >>> Ouch ouch ouch. >> >> >> Ouch? A young man in the prime of his youth lies paralyzed, and the >> >> entire thought is "Ouch"? As though this isn't the foreseeable >> >> outcome of arming traffic detail and meter maids? A caning with a >> >> feather duster is excessive use of force in connection with traffic >> >> statute infractions. It seems plain to me that everyone, and I mean >> >> police departments and every news video junkie, has lost their sense >> >> of perspective. The world has gone mad. How many honestly think >> >> meaningful police reforms are coming any time soon? >> >> > I've always been of the opinion that nearly all people who get shot >> > by the police bring it on themselves in one way or another. �Usually >> > it involves insensitivity to the officer's fear for his own life. For >> > example, it is ill-advised to reach for paperwork in the glove >> > box before the officer has arrived at your window. �It is also >> > ill-advised to keep your hands in your pockets (especially loose >> > pockets), etc. >> > Even the Diallo shooting has some ill-advised behavior by Mr. Diallo. >> >> > However, looking at the shooting video -- that could have been me. When my >> > starter switch and headlight went suddenly inoperative one >> > night the Marshall police stopped me. �I didn't want to turn off the >> > bike (the starter switch was inoperative), so I motioned for the >> > officers to come forward. They responded by turning on the >> > extra-bright lights ... I knew at that time that anything further I >> > did was just going to make them more suspicious, so I turned off the >> > bike and got off to chat with them. �I knew that doing anything else >> > was going to escalate their suspicion and perhaps escalate the >> > situation. >> > They did not shoot. >> >> > But my behavior was just as suspicious and perhaps just as >> > threatening as the victim in the video. >> >> > He did nothing to deserve what he got. >> >> > "Ouch" wasn't strong enough. �You are correct. >> >> I don't intend anything personal in this. Your thoughts and reactions are my >> expectations for the general public. It's this general acceptance of the >> status quo that I'm speaking out against. >> >> It should be general knowledge but somehow escaped public notice that you >> and I are not just empowered but are morally bound to intercede and make >> felony arrests. The only real difference, then, between us and uniformed >> police is they are also empowered to arrest for misdemeanors and statute >> infractions. And for that difference, we assign to them power of life and >> death in the most insanely simple and common situations. Can you imagine >> yourself drawing on and then firing on someone for jaywalking? How far is >> that from what we all saw in this video? Yes, it could have been you. >> >> The real crime and issue here is not simple speeding. Once the cop is on the >> scene, the real issue is compliance and respect for the uniform. We've given >> them too much power. Just write the damn ticket and let's both just get on >> with our lives. > >I'm not even sure they were guilty of speeding. Sure they accelerated >rapidly, but so far as I know, there is no law against that. They >were however drunk, and the guy that got spooked and ran off the road >should have his motorcycle license revoked until he can prove he isn't >an imbecile. > >But if we are going to take guns away from screened and ostensibly >well trained cops, how can we logically pass out concealed carry >permits to anyone who has yet to be convicted of murdering someone and >passes a basic competency test? > >Personally, I don't think they have too much power, but they do need >to know that they will be held accountable if they use it foolishly. I think a policeman needs a gun for traffic stops. The power they have IMO is that the general public is too quick to side with police (as evidenced in most replies to online news papers) and the police force will protect their fellow policeman from harm whenever possible. We had a nut job working in the prison up here 10 years ago. He used brag about beating people up (non-prisoners), and expressed the opinion that prisoners were not people. The news says his wife ended up leaving him because she couldn't take his attitude. He didn't hit the news till he killed someone on a traffic stop. It wasn't a traffic stop really, as he stopped at a pullout to see why a car was stopped there. Killed the guy when he tried to drive away. The shooting was deemed justified by the force, but the force paid money to the surviving family. Police in general are like anyone else. Some are OK and some aren't. I treat policeman like a potentially dangerous animal, as you seldom know who you're dealing with. Follow instructions, give them the respect that they deserve (and that some demand). Robert
From: S'mee on 19 May 2010 10:12
On May 19, 6:12 am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote: I didn't bother reading a bit of your irrational uneducated rant as frankly my dear you don't matter. You are irrelivant, you inability to understand a clear conscise assement by subject matter experts and your willfull belief of a bunch of chalartans is proof alone you no longer matter to anyone or anything... Now run along little boy, nobody wants your insane nattering. |