$12,000.00 Speeding Ticket
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From: Turby on 31 Aug 2008 22:24 On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:38:01 -0400, "David T. Ashley" <dta(a)e3ft.com> wrote: >"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:p4kro5-op9.ln1(a)bakters.bandit.home... >>> >>> >>> I don't see any reason in the world that sufficiently reckless behavior >>> shouldn't result in very large fines. >> >> I do. State can't harvest misdemeanors. If the misdemeanor is serious >> enough, change its status to something graver and arrest people, but do >> not let the state earn. > >OK, I can see that point of view. I've actually experienced that point of >view. I once received an expensive speeding ticket with no points. The >motive was clear: I wasn't doing anything dangerous but they wanted my >money. > >Stop milking minor crimes for money -- OK, that seems reasonable. It's a conundrum. How do you change people's behavior? Typically, we punish them when they do something wrong. How do you punish people? You can incarcerate them, but then you have to pay for their upkeep, along with the cost of all the jails. We as a society don't condone physical torture (normally.) You can make them do community service (& that is done in many cases and probably should in many more.) But government sees the benefits (income-wise) in causing financial hardship as a punishment. What they don't realize is that it's not especially efficient. (I dunno, maybe they know & don't care, since they're reaping all the dough.) What makes it ludicrous is the Gumball 3000 rally. That's the race for the idle rich. It's a bunch of people who own the world's most exotic cars, racing on public streets for 3000 miles. This year's rally just finished in Beijing. It started in San Francisco. On the first leg to LA, cars were going well over 100mph. Some drivers collected 5 or more traffic tickets that day. When a person can afford a $1.8million Bugatti, a $12k fine is pocket change. -- Turby the Turbosurfer
From: Calgary on 31 Aug 2008 23:12 On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:42:45 -0600, "Bob Myers" <nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote: > >"Calgary" <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote in message >news:e72mb4tcbfe5bbgi7lta3e76e44ohnf4bc(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:08:28 +0200, Andrzej Rosa <bakters(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>>First I am Canadian and live in Canada. >>> >>>I first heard about this law in American context, so I made an assumption. >>>I wasn't aware that it works like that in Canada too. Sorry for you, >>>guys. >> >> Considering your admitted ignorance of Canada and all things Canadian >> your "Sorry for you guys" comes across as an immature and ill informed >> sentiment. > >Well, gee, send him a few tapes of The Red Green Show >and a couple of Bob & Doug McKenzie albums, and we can >fix that whole ignorance thing up right now...;-) > >Bob M. > Ah, old fashioned Canadian Culture, eh. -- See Ya On The Road 2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium 2004 HD Road King Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
From: .p.jm on 31 Aug 2008 23:25 On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:12:41 GMT, Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: >On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:42:45 -0600, "Bob Myers" ><nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote: > >> >>"Calgary" <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>news:e72mb4tcbfe5bbgi7lta3e76e44ohnf4bc(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:08:28 +0200, Andrzej Rosa <bakters(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>First I am Canadian and live in Canada. >>>> >>>>I first heard about this law in American context, so I made an assumption. >>>>I wasn't aware that it works like that in Canada too. Sorry for you, >>>>guys. >>> >>> Considering your admitted ignorance of Canada and all things Canadian >>> your "Sorry for you guys" comes across as an immature and ill informed >>> sentiment. >> >>Well, gee, send him a few tapes of The Red Green Show >>and a couple of Bob & Doug McKenzie albums, and we can >>fix that whole ignorance thing up right now...;-) >> >>Bob M. >> >Ah, old fashioned Canadian Culture, eh. > Don't they have shots for that now ??? -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm
From: Road Glidin' Don on 1 Sep 2008 00:16 On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:50:12 GMT, Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: >On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT), "." <yefelnagrom(a)yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>On Aug 29, 4:41�pm, Calgary >><actual.rider_remove_the_obvio...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >>> � � EDSON, Alta. � A 34-year-old Alberta man was handed a $12,000 >>> speeding fine >> >>How much is that in *real money*? (USD $) > >Since your dollar is swirling around in the sewer, it's almost the >same. Could it be that Krusty is actually Brian Walker? <g>
From: Road Glidin' Don on 1 Sep 2008 00:24
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:20:41 GMT, Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: >On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:15:33 -0400, Steve T <rm2(a)no48panspam.com> >wrote: > >>Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >>:What no one gets fined 12 grand in your corner of the world? Going >>:150k (90mph +/-) over the limit might invoke a charge over and above >>:speeding. >> >>Not for speeding. You can lose your license for a long time, but the >>maximum fine wouldn't run over $1,000 in most places. > >A report in today's newspaper stated he negotiated the high fine in >order to keep his license. I think the deal was negotiated mainly to avoid prison time. If deterents are the goal, the case presents an interesting dilemna. For people who aren't wealthy, the $12,000 fine is a mighty strong deterent. For someone who can easily afford the $12,000, jail time would be a stronger deterent. The problem being we don't want the justice system to let rich people able to pay their way out (one standard for the poor and another for the wealthy). It might have been better to have stuck with what the law demanded and thrown the guy in jail, just like anyone else would have, given the same offense - no deals. |