$12,000.00 Speeding Ticket
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From: Sean_Q_ on 31 Aug 2008 16:23 Calgary wrote: > The same officer later spotted the motorcycle in Hinton, which is > about 280 kilometres west of Edmonton. The Edson Traffic Court handed > down the fine Aug. 27. You'd think the guy would have enough sense to hide the bike in someone's barn, change his clothes, dress in drag... anything to avoid being ID'd. SQ
From: David T. Ashley on 31 Aug 2008 17:11 "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:erdro5-g28.ln1(a)bakters.bandit.home... > > This _is_ crazy, isn't it? Even apart from the fact that you criminalized > prostitution, and not only girls but also customers. Here prostitution is > legal, and I've seen two girls hooking alongside the road just yesterday. > Cops just insist that they collect used condoms, to keep the woods kinda > civil, you know. What country do you live in? I'd like to investigate immigrating ... : )
From: Calgary on 31 Aug 2008 17:13 On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:08:28 +0200, Andrzej Rosa <bakters(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >First I am Canadian and live in Canada. > >I first heard about this law in American context, so I made an assumption. >I wasn't aware that it works like that in Canada too. Sorry for you, guys. Considering your admitted ignorance of Canada and all things Canadian your "Sorry for you guys" comes across as an immature and ill informed sentiment. -- See Ya On The Road 2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium 2004 HD Road King Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
From: Andrzej Rosa on 31 Aug 2008 17:18 David T. Ashley wrote: >>You don't get to define the terms of the discussion, you frothing >>idiot. Besides; had anyone bothered to reply using a real >>justification, you'd simply say it wasn't so. See your reply to Steve >>T for an example. (I don't often agree with him on anything, but his >>statement that this is an example of "government run amok" was >>absolutely on the button. >> >>Seems there's always some bozo on Usenet -you, in this case- who's >>willing to justify *anything* the State does so long as it fits his >>preconceptions of "justice". Renditions. Torture. You name it. > > You still haven't really addressed the issue. > > My only point is that the behavior involved is likely to get others > killed. At some point, it has to stop being a simple traffic ticket matter > and either lead into outrageous civil sanctions or criminal sanctions. Well, among civilized nations they award points to your license in addition to a fine, so even if you can afford a fine, you still need to take care to avoid the points. You can have your license revoked if you do not improve your road manners. > It isn't clear what kind of a society you want to live in ... clearly one > where innocent people get killed frequently for no good reason. > > Aside from diagnosing me with rabies ("frothing"), you really have not > addressed the issue of why you believe that very dangerous behavior > shouldn't be answered with very inconvenient sanctions ... Shoot them on the spot. Wait, shooting is too civil. Catch them alive and torture them some before you shoot. That will learn them, won't it? -- Andrzej Rosa
From: David T. Ashley on 31 Aug 2008 18:03
"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:peero5-278.ln1(a)bakters.bandit.home... > David T. Ashley wrote: > >>>You don't get to define the terms of the discussion, you frothing >>>idiot. Besides; had anyone bothered to reply using a real >>>justification, you'd simply say it wasn't so. See your reply to Steve >>>T for an example. (I don't often agree with him on anything, but his >>>statement that this is an example of "government run amok" was >>>absolutely on the button. >>> >>>Seems there's always some bozo on Usenet -you, in this case- who's >>>willing to justify *anything* the State does so long as it fits his >>>preconceptions of "justice". Renditions. Torture. You name it. >> >> You still haven't really addressed the issue. >> >> My only point is that the behavior involved is likely to get others >> killed. At some point, it has to stop being a simple traffic ticket >> matter >> and either lead into outrageous civil sanctions or criminal sanctions. > > Well, among civilized nations they award points to your license in > addition > to a fine, so even if you can afford a fine, you still need to take care > to > avoid the points. You can have your license revoked if you do not improve > your road manners. > >> It isn't clear what kind of a society you want to live in ... clearly one >> where innocent people get killed frequently for no good reason. >> >> Aside from diagnosing me with rabies ("frothing"), you really have not >> addressed the issue of why you believe that very dangerous behavior >> shouldn't be answered with very inconvenient sanctions ... > > Shoot them on the spot. Wait, shooting is too civil. Catch them alive > and > torture them some before you shoot. That will learn them, won't it? I appreciate the humor, but everyone has missed my point. Endangering people with a motorcycle is no different than, for example, discharging a firearm into the air in a populated area. It puts others at too great a risk. To live with each other, we all need to make a few concessions to protect each other's safety. I don't see any reason in the world that sufficiently reckless behavior shouldn't result in very large fines. The fact that the behavior occurred on a motorcycle shouldn't inherently limit the fines. I don't see any reason in the world that sufficiently reckless behavior shouldn't result in criminal prosecution. The fact that the behavior occurred on a motorcycle shouldn't inherently prevent this. Some of the people on this list seem to be of the opinion that traffic fines should be limited to a few hundred dollars regardless of how egregious the offense. Why? "Ordinary" speeding (100 in a 70), perhaps. But going 160 mph on a road where one might encounter other traffic ... that is nearly criminal. What makes a motorcycle special in a way where the rider should be exempt from accountability and responsibility? I guess some people just can't handle adult priveleges. |