$12,000.00 Speeding Ticket
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From: Beav on 30 Aug 2008 14:57 "Calgary" <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:msmib45rd1dbb2pk9fmsbnff9buled16eb(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:04:12 -0400, "Vito" <vito(a)xxcrosslink.net> > wrote: > >>"Calgary" <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote >>> On May 1, a police officer noticed the man speeding on a Honda >>> motorcycle on a stretch of Highway 16, between Edson and Hinton, >>> Alta., with a 110 km/h speed limit. The officer gave chase, but was >>> unable to match his speed, said Sgt. Ron Lyons with the RCMP. >>> >>> The same officer later spotted the motorcycle in Hinton, which is >>> about 280 kilometres west of Edmonton. The Edson Traffic Court handed >>> down the fine Aug. 27. >>> >>Wouldn't fly in US courts if the dude had a decent lawyer. Cop hadn't >>kept >>sight of the bike so he couldn't say for certain that it was the same bike >>let alone the same rider. >> > > Well if the guy was originally clocked with photo radar the ticket > will automatically go to the registered owner of the vehicle. All that > is required is the photo identifying the license plate. > > I am not sure what in our Highway Traffic Act would allow such a heavy > fine, but I suspect it is there. > > I heard a report on the radio that said the rider had negotiated the > value of the fine "Down". Geez I wonder what it was before that. <g> He had to pick up a bar of soap in the local nick? -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
From: Calgary on 30 Aug 2008 17:20 On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:15:33 -0400, Steve T <rm2(a)no48panspam.com> wrote: >Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: > >:What no one gets fined 12 grand in your corner of the world? Going >:150k (90mph +/-) over the limit might invoke a charge over and above >:speeding. > >Not for speeding. You can lose your license for a long time, but the >maximum fine wouldn't run over $1,000 in most places. A report in today's newspaper stated he negotiated the high fine in order to keep his license. > >You canucks need to get a handle on your government. > You know I often think exactly the same about you and your government. -- See Ya On The Road 2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium 2004 HD Road King Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
From: Polarhound on 30 Aug 2008 17:34 BryanUT wrote: > "Polarhound" <udf7832283483y(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:EfOdnUNddJp5FyTVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)comcast.com... >> Vito wrote: >> >>> Wouldn't fly in US courts if the dude had a decent lawyer. Cop hadn't >>> kept sight of the bike so he couldn't say for certain that it was the >>> same bike let alone the same rider. >> In some states, a ticket for 10 over the limit can cost you thousands in >> fines and fees, and that is BEFORE insurance. > > Really? Which states? Cite please. > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-29-Va-new-driving-laws_N.htm Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since 1969. Starting Sunday, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil penalties. The new civil charges will range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.
From: BryanUT on 30 Aug 2008 17:41 "Polarhound" <udf7832283483y(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:mK-dnU-JPJvJICTVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > BryanUT wrote: >> "Polarhound" <udf7832283483y(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:EfOdnUNddJp5FyTVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)comcast.com... >>> Vito wrote: >>> >>>> Wouldn't fly in US courts if the dude had a decent lawyer. Cop hadn't >>>> kept sight of the bike so he couldn't say for certain that it was the >>>> same bike let alone the same rider. >>> In some states, a ticket for 10 over the limit can cost you thousands in >>> fines and fees, and that is BEFORE insurance. >> >> Really? Which states? Cite please. > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-29-Va-new-driving-laws_N.htm > > Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since 1969. > Starting Sunday, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic > ticket. > > In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start > hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil > penalties. > > The new civil charges will range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to > existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over > the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is > typically about $200. OK, one state not states. I got clocked at 84 in a 65, written up for 9 over. $71 fine in Utah.
From: David T. Ashley on 30 Aug 2008 17:46
"Steve T" <rm2(a)no48panspam.com> wrote in message news:vuvib4la1dpbtu8kh27i9dvo9sknse3120(a)4ax.com... > Calgary <actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: > > :What no one gets fined 12 grand in your corner of the world? Going > :150k (90mph +/-) over the limit might invoke a charge over and above > :speeding. > > Not for speeding. You can lose your license for a long time, but the > maximum fine wouldn't run over $1,000 in most places. > > You canucks need to get a handle on your government. Wrong answer. These kinds of things are culturally dependent (and your point of view is defective, anyhow). The first issue is cultural dependence. In terms of cultural dependence ... in the U.S. the only crimes you can get the death penalty for are murder and treason. So you can do something very costly to society -- perhaps far more costly than killing an individual -- and not get the death penalty for it. That is a uniquely American point of view. In China, for example, you can get the death penalty for [the equivalent of] grand theft. There is no reason that the death penalty should be reserved for only murder and treason. If someone, for example, destroys a big-ticket item (a dam, a skyscraper, etc.) but doesn't injure or kill anybody ... one could make the argument that such a crime is worse than murder. $100M or $1B is far more than one individual is worth in terms of the damage to society. There is no independent (non culturally-dependent) framework where you can argue that a $12,000 fine for a serious traffic infraction is excessive. "You canucks need to get a handle on your government" does NOT follow. The second issue is the point at which something ceases to be a civil matter and becomes a criminal matter. Going 263kph is reckless behavior directed towards other human beings. Best-case braking (on a sportbike with dry pavement) from 263kph is over 700 feet, with typical probably exceeding 1,000 feet. We're talking 1/4 mile or so. That is reckless. Everyone would agree that discharging a firearm into the air in a populated area is reckless and criminal. The same with riding 263kph. There is no reason that this kind of behavior should not be a criminal matter and result in incarceration. You aren't thinking straight. |