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From: G-S on 3 Feb 2010 01:54 Diogenes wrote: > > And what proposals can you offer the gummint? > I don't believe it's my job to 'offer proposals' to the gummint. I believe it's their job to 'off solutions' to us (the voters), preferably ones that work well. In this case I'd give them about a 4 out of 10. > Hoons are an elusive crowd. You target one area, they go to another. Yup. > Nothing seems to deter them anyway. Nothing deters them (that I'm aware of or that anyone seems to have ever come up with). Since nothing deters them don't try and deter them, stop them. If they hoon then apply a 3 strikes and you're out policy. 1. Fine them and take their license away (similar penalty to 0.05 low range). 2. Fine them, ban them from driving for longer (similar penalty to 0.05 multi offence). Make them do a course to get their license back, require speed limiters with GPS controls on any car they drive at THEIR cost. 3. Ban them from driving for life and put them in jail (or a suspended sentence if the offence is lower range). After a few of them went through that lot the more sensible ones would stop and the stupid ones would be in jail (and we wouldn't have to crush cars with the dodgy legality that implies). And I'd still be able to ride at 100kph through the ranges! G-S
From: CrazyCam on 3 Feb 2010 01:52 Kevin Gleeson wrote: <snip> > Define hoon. What most of us here are, or were at some time in the past. regards, CrazyCam
From: G-S on 3 Feb 2010 01:59 Diogenes wrote > > What they WON'T do is stop being hoons and/or actually start > denouncing hoons for the stain on the motorcycling community that they > are. And the main reason for this is that by and large they ARE the > motorcycling community. > I own and ride a 1200cc air-cooled twin which makes about 75hp at the rear wheel and weighs about 250kg. That's not very 'hoonish' in my book. Oh and there is my Suzuki & HRD outfit (that's got a double sidecar on it), I'm not sure how fast it goes but it gets a bit scary over 120kph so I never really tried. My next bike purchase? Well I'm trying to decide between a SYM HD200 scooter and an Aprillia Scarabeo 200 and wondering if I'd be better with something just a little bigger like a SYM Citycom 300i or Aprillia 250. Oh... the 300i makes 24ps and it's the most powerful of that lot. I don't really think I'm part of the supersports rider demographic you're making me out to be (and nor to be honest are any of the regulars I've met from this newsgroup). Some do ride sports/tourers, does that count? G-S
From: G-S on 3 Feb 2010 02:01 Diogenes wrote: > >> Lowering the speed limit and altering the road marking laws to prohibit >> overtaking simply enables the enforcement effort to trap people who are >> riding in a sensible, and until recently, perfectly legal manner. > > So you're saying that it's all an evil, antisocial plan to trap the > innocent whilst turning a blind eye to the guilty? You don't think > that's a bit of a skewed view of reality? > I'm saying that the gumbiment see this lowering of speed limits as having the bonus effect of raising the amount of revenue their mobile tax gathering units (highway patrols) get from day dreaming car drivers (and the occasional motorcyclist). G-S
From: CrazyCam on 3 Feb 2010 02:12
G-S wrote: > Diogenes wrote > >> >> What they WON'T do is stop being hoons and/or actually start >> denouncing hoons for the stain on the motorcycling community that they >> are. And the main reason for this is that by and large they ARE the >> motorcycling community. >> > > I own and ride a 1200cc air-cooled twin which makes about 75hp at the > rear wheel and weighs about 250kg. > > That's not very 'hoonish' in my book. > > Oh and there is my Suzuki & HRD outfit (that's got a double sidecar on > it), I'm not sure how fast it goes but it gets a bit scary over 120kph > so I never really tried. > > My next bike purchase? > > Well I'm trying to decide between a SYM HD200 scooter and an Aprillia > Scarabeo 200 and wondering if I'd be better with something just a little > bigger like a SYM Citycom 300i or Aprillia 250. > > Oh... the 300i makes 24ps and it's the most powerful of that lot. > > I don't really think I'm part of the supersports rider demographic > you're making me out to be (and nor to be honest are any of the regulars > I've met from this newsgroup). > > Some do ride sports/tourers, does that count? OK, Geoff, so who was that person I meet at Eastern Creek? ;-) regards, CrazyCam |