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From: don (Calgary) on 11 Nov 2009 18:02 On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:18:19 +0000, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >don (Calgary) <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:26:17 GMT, Bob Mann <bobmann(a)mtsremove.net> >> wrote: >> >> >"don (Calgary)" <hd.flhr(a)telus.net> wrote in >> >news:f4hlf51mhoojt728gsgbfl09q18aapvrrn(a)4ax.com: >> > >> >> Not that I care to go down this road again but the inconvenient truth >> >> is global warming has stopped. In fact over the past decade we have >> >> been cooling. >> >> >> > >> >We have. >> >The Earth hasn't. >> >> In fact the average temperature of the world has been cooling over the >> past decade contrary to all of the previous predictions. > >There appears to be evidence for this, but the timespan of a decade is a >bit too short for anyone to draw any reliable conclusions. Of course a decade or even three decades is too short a period to draw any reliable conclusions. Tell that to the scientists who endorsed the supporting information to the Kyoto Protocols. The point being during a time when greenhouse gasses were increasing at incredible rates, and the experts were predicting temperatures to continue to rise, because of those greenhouse gasses, the temperature in fact stabilized and began to drop. > >I' prefer to look at the polar ice caps for a longer-term trend picture. Which would be an equally wrong thing to do. There are many more variables involved in the freeze/melt cycle of the polar ice caps than subtle variations in the ambient temperature of the world. Even though the average temp of the world has begun to drop we are still in one of, if not the warmest era ever. Global warming could end, and the polar ice could continue to melt.
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 11 Nov 2009 18:55 On Nov 11, 3:25 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > We may be just seeing an unusual transition, or we may be seeing the end of > the ice ages and a return to the _normal_ state of the planet in which it > has no polar caps and palm trees are indigenous to Antarctica. Before you > say "plate tectonics" be aware that at the time at which the palm trees were > present Antarctica was in its current position and the continents were in > their familiar positions or close to it--continental drift takes place over > a much longer time frame. It might help if you were more specific about the period of time you speak of. I've heard a lot of climate changes attributed to the closing of the Paname isthmus ~10m years ago. Were you speaking of something more or less recent than that ?
From: J. Clarke on 11 Nov 2009 19:32 Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: > On Nov 11, 3:25 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> We may be just seeing an unusual transition, or we may be seeing the >> end of the ice ages and a return to the _normal_ state of the planet >> in which it has no polar caps and palm trees are indigenous to >> Antarctica. Before you say "plate tectonics" be aware that at the >> time at which the palm trees were present Antarctica was in its >> current position and the continents were in their familiar positions >> or close to it--continental drift takes place over a much longer >> time frame. > > It might help if you were more specific about the period of time you > speak of. I've heard a lot of climate changes attributed to the > closing > of the Paname isthmus ~10m years ago. Were you speaking of > something more or less recent than that ? I thought it was fairly well known that palm trees were indigenous to Antarctica within the past 25 million years or so.
From: Road Glidin' Don on 11 Nov 2009 20:25 On Nov 11, 3:18 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > don (Calgary) <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:26:17 GMT, Bob Mann <bobm...(a)mtsremove.net> > > wrote: > > > >"don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote in > > >news:f4hlf51mhoojt728gsgbfl09q18aapvrrn(a)4ax.com: > > > >> Not that I care to go down this road again but the inconvenient truth > > >> is global warming has stopped. In fact over the past decade we have > > >> been cooling. > > > >We have. > > >The Earth hasn't. > > > In fact the average temperature of the world has been cooling over the > > past decade contrary to all of the previous predictions. > > There appears to be evidence for this, but the timespan of a decade is a > bit too short for anyone to draw any reliable conclusions. > > I' prefer to look at the polar ice caps for a longer-term trend picture. Yet even that can be attributable to changes in sea currents.
From: .p.jm. on 11 Nov 2009 20:42
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:25:50 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don" <d.langkd(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 11, 3:18�pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >Gentleman) wrote: >> don (Calgary) <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:26:17 GMT, Bob Mann <bobm...(a)mtsremove.net> >> > wrote: >> >> > >"don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote in >> > >news:f4hlf51mhoojt728gsgbfl09q18aapvrrn(a)4ax.com: >> >> > >> Not that I care to go down this road again but the inconvenient truth >> > >> is global warming has stopped. In fact over the past decade we have >> > >> been cooling. >> >> > >We have. >> > >The Earth hasn't. >> >> > In fact the average temperature of the world has been cooling over the >> > past decade contrary to all of the previous predictions. >> >> There appears to be evidence for this, but the timespan of a decade is a >> bit too short for anyone to draw any reliable conclusions. >> >> I' prefer to look at the polar ice caps for a longer-term trend picture. > >Yet even that can be attributable to changes in sea currents. > And if you go back far enough ,the 'polar ice caps' extended to somewhere south of Virginia. They've beeen 'melting' ever since, for millions of years. 30 - 40 years ago, 'the scientific community' was screaming about the impending ICE AGE. 'Scientists' complain about 'species loss', and yet they admit they have only identified perhaps 2 - 3 % of the existing species on the planet. Environmentalists are fond of showing pictures of 'cute cuddly polar bears' floating on icebergs, without mentioning that that is in fact there natural environment, where they eat anything that moves and is smaller than they are. BTW, estimates are that there are MORE polar bears in the wild now than there were 20 + years ago. 'Evironmentalists' like to say 'the science is proven beyond doubt, there can be no debate', and yet they can not explain why none of their models work. And they forget little things like 'the record of CO2 levels suggest that increases FOLLOWED warming trends, and therefor COULD NOT BE CAUSITIVE. Oops. -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm |