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From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 12 Nov 2009 01:36 On Nov 11, 9:16 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: > > On Nov 11, 4:32 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: > >>> On Nov 11, 3:25 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>>> and palm trees are indigenous > >>>> to Antarctica. Before you say "plate tectonics" be aware that at > >>>> the time at which the palm trees were present Antarctica was in its > >>>> current position and the continents were in their familiar > >>>> positions or close to it > > Keep in mind that right now, the Gulf Stream lets you > > grow palm trees in Ireland at approximately the same > > latitude as Labrador. > > And the California Current lets you grow them in Vancouver. Not sure what > the relevance is. The closing of the isthmus of Panama by tectonic activity only a few million years ago drastically altered global oceanic currents and with them, global climate. We're unlikely to return to conditions that existed prior to the joining of the American continents. If something else did alter climate it's anybody's guess where it would go. Conditions 25m years ago can't really be considered a norm anymore because the geography of the earth has in fact changed very significantly even without the continents moving very far.
From: S'mee on 12 Nov 2009 02:12 On Nov 11, 9:28 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:00:18 -0800 (PST), "S'mee" > > > > > > <stevenkei...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >On Nov 11, 2:36 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:26:17 GMT, Bob Mann <bobm...(a)mtsremove.net> > >> wrote: > > >> >"don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote in > >> >news:f4hlf51mhoojt728gsgbfl09q18aapvrrn(a)4ax.com: > > >> >> Not that I care to go down this road again but the inconvenient truth > >> >> is global warming has stopped. In fact over the past decade we have > >> >> been cooling. > > >> >We have. > >> >The Earth hasn't. > > >> In fact the average temperature of the world has been cooling over the > >> past decade contrary to all of the previous predictions. > > >Oh sure, brings facts into a perfectly good argument! I just got the > >popcorn and a Mountain Dew(throwback) and was getting ready for the > >show...spoilsport. > > Ah don't worry Keith, I have a feeling the bullshit is yet to come. > Hang on to that popcorn, in fact save some for me. Okay, mind you I make mine on the stove top and use REAL butter drizzled over the top. 8^) Hope your arteries can take it...my ol' guilt meter couldn't handle something happening to you. Barring the possible show I suppose I could put in Godilla V. King Kong (first color Godilla movie iirc) or Easy Rider OR better yet, something appropos to reeky "Death Race 2000". 8^) Mind you I'll have to get a new(ish/er) player as my copy is VHS. ;^) -- Keith Luddities rule the rest read about it on a kindle.
From: The Older Gentleman on 12 Nov 2009 02:22 S'mee <stevenkeith2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Apparently the big issue is that it's not safe for the > FBI to cruise Nigerian internet cafes and the like. If you mean in Nigeria, I'm sure you're right. If you mean elsewhere, I can assure you they do. >But I could be > very, very wrong. See above. -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: J. Clarke on 12 Nov 2009 02:39 Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: > On Nov 11, 9:16 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: >>> On Nov 11, 4:32 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: >>>>> On Nov 11, 3:25 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>>>> and palm trees are indigenous >>>>>> to Antarctica. Before you say "plate tectonics" be aware that at >>>>>> the time at which the palm trees were present Antarctica was in >>>>>> its current position and the continents were in their familiar >>>>>> positions or close to it > > >>> Keep in mind that right now, the Gulf Stream lets you >>> grow palm trees in Ireland at approximately the same >>> latitude as Labrador. >> >> And the California Current lets you grow them in Vancouver. Not sure >> what the relevance is. > > The closing of the isthmus of Panama by tectonic activity > only a few million years ago drastically altered global oceanic > currents and with them, global climate. And yet 30,000 years ago, well after that closing, Ireland was buried under glaciers. > We're unlikely to return to conditions that existed prior to > the joining of the American continents. We are? I'm sorry, but the normal state of the planet is a much warmer climate than at present. Ice ages have existed off and on at various periods but they make up a tiny fraction of the history of the planet. > If something > else did alter climate it's anybody's guess where it would > go. While this is true to some extent, the way to bet is that it would go to where is has been over most of its existence. > Conditions 25m years ago can't really be considered > a norm anymore because the geography of the earth has > in fact changed very significantly even without the continents > moving very far. No, conditions 25M years ago are snapshot. How about conditions from the end of the Karoo 260 million years ago to the beginning of the current one? That's about ten times as long as the Antarctic glaciation and about a hundred times as long as the Northern Hemisphere glaciation, and during that time the continents did experience significant movement.
From: Robert Bolton on 12 Nov 2009 03:11
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:42:09 -0500, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: >On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:25:50 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don" ><d.langkd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Nov 11, 3:18�pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >>Gentleman) wrote: ..... >>> I' prefer to look at the polar ice caps for a longer-term trend picture. >> >>Yet even that can be attributable to changes in sea currents. >> > > And if you go back far enough ,the 'polar ice caps' extended >to somewhere south of Virginia. They've beeen 'melting' ever since, >for millions of years. > > 30 - 40 years ago, 'the scientific community' was screaming >about the impending ICE AGE. > > 'Scientists' complain about 'species loss', and yet they admit >they have only identified perhaps 2 - 3 % of the existing species on >the planet. > > Environmentalists are fond of showing pictures of 'cute cuddly >polar bears' floating on icebergs, without mentioning that that is in >fact there natural environment, where they eat anything that moves and >is smaller than they are. BTW, estimates are that there are MORE >polar bears in the wild now than there were 20 + years ago. > Polar bears depend upon sea ice for dinner. Sea ice is melting away. Populations are believed to be declining in spite of the 1972 hunting controls implemented. Hence the declaration by the US that polar bears are threatened. At least that was the case a year ago. http://alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/polarbear/issues.htm > 'Evironmentalists' like to say 'the science is proven beyond >doubt, there can be no debate', and yet they can not explain why none >of their models work. And they forget little things like 'the record >of CO2 levels suggest that increases FOLLOWED warming trends, and >therefor COULD NOT BE CAUSITIVE. Oops. I think most people understand the science of global warming includes educated guessing about how we got where we are and where we will go from here. Modifications to these theories should be expected as new facts are gathered. Speaking of CO2, here's an AP article mulling over the possible effects of Arctic seawater PH. http://www.sfos.uaf.edu/newsletter/fall09/UAF-SFOS-Newsletter-Fall09.pdf Just some info, Robert |