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From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 13:29 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 18:41:07 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> > said: >> In this I'm relying on the public proclamations mostly from the USA >> I'm happy to admit > > So you haven't and you're relying on the words of a few people you've > seen on the TV. Well *Of Course* -- 'Hog
From: steve auvache on 21 Dec 2009 13:28 In article <2009122118422821153-doesnotcompute(a)gmailcom>, doetnietcomputeren <doesnotcompute(a)gmail.com> writes >On 2009-12-21 18:26:45 +0100, steve auvache <dont_spam(a)thecow.me.uk> said: > >>> It's not a deterrent. >> >> The entire history of mankind demonstrates that punishment, be it >> capital, corporal or any other kind, appears not to be a deterrent for >> some. The solution, if ever there is to be one, seems to lie in >> preventing "crime" in the first place. > ><Auvache in rare lucid moment shocker> Typewriters, monkeys, etc. -- steve auvache
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 13:31 DR wrote: > 'Hog posted: >> Champ wrote: > >>> you appear to be genuinely proposing capital punishment for 3 crimes >>> against property. >>> >>> You're either a troll or deeply unpleasant. >> >> I'm suggesting liquidating those who systematically disrupt and try >> to destroy the lives of those around them. Over and over. Resisting >> all efforts to educate them. > > Rather than actively killing people, which is of course not nice, how > about permanent exile somewhere fairly inaccessible and inhospitable? > I suggest Rockall... I think the Shetland Islands are more suitable. And a harsher punishment. -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 13:33 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 18:42:27 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> > said: >>>> Having been acquainted with a young chap, who is currently facing >>>> death row, >>> >>> ... for murder (a business man), second degree robbery (of the >>> business man) and two counts of attempted murder (the policemen he >>> shot at while escaping), at the ripe old age of 21 (or maybe just >>> about 22) - in California where; the cops have and use their guns, >>> the maximum state prison is somewhat infamous and the death penalty >>> is an available punishment - I wonder why you think that only people >>> who are opposed to capital punishment point out that it's not a >>> deterrent. >>> It's not a deterrent. >> >> It didn't deter *him* > > Or many hundreds of thousands of others. Perhaps even millions. > >> It DOES deter some people. > > Only the weak. > >> And I suspect the HOW of the sentence also has a lot to do with the >> deterrent effect. > > The prospect of ending up in Fulsom, would be enough to keep me from > getting caught doing anything that would warrant me going there. > > For those that are prepared to go there, or to death row, I doubt that > stoning, hanging drawing and quartering or being fed bleeding feet > first to pirhanas is going to make much difference. Certainly being > faced by an angry mob of a dozen of you wouldn't worry them in the > slightest. I see what you are saying. It doesn't change the fact that it will deter some and prevents re-offending. If it has no beneficial effect then why do the 'Merkin public support it? -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 13:35
doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 18:41:07 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> > said: >> What has arming Plod got to do with it? > > It's the same tired argument, that arming the regular UK plod would > deter crime. It wouldn't. I thought it was to allow Plod to defend 'self -- 'Hog |