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From: steve auvache on 21 Dec 2009 12:26 In article <2009122118183835001-doesnotcompute(a)gmailcom>, doetnietcomputeren <doesnotcompute(a)gmail.com> writes > >It's not a deterrent. The entire history of mankind demonstrates that punishment, be it capital, corporal or any other kind, appears not to be a deterrent for some. The solution, if ever there is to be one, seems to lie in preventing "crime" in the first place. -- steve auvache
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 12:34 ginge wrote: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:11:26 -0000, "'Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: > >>> you appear to be genuinely proposing capital punishment for 3 crimes >>> against property. >>> >>> You're either a troll or deeply unpleasant. >> >> I'm suggesting liquidating those who systematically disrupt and try >> to destroy the lives of those around them. Over and over. Resisting >> all efforts to educate them. > > Why not move to a country with Sharia law. You know very well they also frown on strong drink and promiscuity. It will never work for many if not most UKRM's -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 12:41 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 17:24:51 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> > said: > I'm not opposed to it, the fact is quite simple - countries where the > police are armed do not have significantly less crime and not do those > with capital punishment. What has arming Plod got to do with it? And I'm not convinced that all Pro countries fail to reduce the crime rate. USA probably yes but it is quite a special case in many respects. > Having been acquainted with a young chap, who is currently facing > death row, >> >> I suggest: >> >> # those executed never go on to bother another victim > > This is true. > >> # victims/relatives often appreciate the execution > > "often"? You've spoken to many victims/relatives who have appreciated > the perpetrator being executed, have you? In this I'm relying on the public proclamations mostly from the USA I'm happy to admit >> # it should be cheaper than banging folk up for life > > Hmm. > >> and I propose that it may not deter all but it certainly deters some -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 12:42 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 18:12:11 +0100, doetnietcomputeren > <doesnotcompute(a)gmail.com> said: > > Bad form, but I hit the wrong set of keys. > >>>> >>>> And what makes you think that Capital or Corporal punishment would >>>> change anything? >>>> >>>> (Hint, it doesn't in many other countries). >>> >>> Those opposed to it always say that. >> >> I'm not opposed to it, the fact is quite simple - countries where the >> police are armed do not have significantly less crime and not do >> those with capital punishment. >> >> Having been acquainted with a young chap, who is currently facing >> death row, > > ... for murder (a business man), second degree robbery (of the > business man) and two counts of attempted murder (the policemen he > shot at while escaping), at the ripe old age of 21 (or maybe just > about 22) - in California where; the cops have and use their guns, > the maximum state prison is somewhat infamous and the death penalty > is an available punishment - I wonder why you think that only people > who are opposed to capital punishment point out that it's not a > deterrent. > It's not a deterrent. It didn't deter *him* It DOES deter some people. And I suspect the HOW of the sentence also has a lot to do with the deterrent effect. -- 'Hog
From: doetnietcomputeren on 21 Dec 2009 12:42
On 2009-12-21 18:26:45 +0100, steve auvache <dont_spam(a)thecow.me.uk> said: >> It's not a deterrent. > > The entire history of mankind demonstrates that punishment, be it > capital, corporal or any other kind, appears not to be a deterrent for > some. The solution, if ever there is to be one, seems to lie in > preventing "crime" in the first place. <Auvache in rare lucid moment shocker> -- Dnc |