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From: JackH on 28 Jun 2010 02:44 On Jun 28, 7:38 am, "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: > "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1jkrmoe.9ymmvze08va4N%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk... > > > > > A mate has got a nice bike. Used, a few years old, invery good order. > > Not saying what it is, for reasons that will become obvious. And as I > > walked past it, in late evening sunshine, something about the VIN plate > > riveted to the frame caught my eye. > > > It was just reflecting too much light from the stamped letters. Not the > > plate, but the letters themselves. And I looked closer. Hm. The numbers > > seemed to have been stamped in just a bit too heavily. > > > OK, onto the headstock. And oh deary deary dear. After the first > > half-dozen generic serial numbers/letters, the numbers display a minor, > > but tell-tale, variation in size and spacing. > > > It's a ringer. Absolutely 100% sure. It's been ringed well, and a casual > > glance at the headstock wouldn't show anything amiss. It was only > > because I was a tad suspicious that I got really up close and personal, > > and could see it. > > > So what to do? He's had the bike maybe 18 months. Possibly a bit longer.. > > I think it was an eBay purchase. > > > Sell it now, fast, and move on was my (probably unethical) advice. I > > doubt that 99% of purchasers would spot anything amiss and it will > > continue to circulate on the roads until it gets scrapped. > > > But what would you do? Anyone? > > Morally, declaring it is the right thing to do, but like most people I'm > sure I'd have second thoughts about this depending on how much it was going > to cost me. > > One thing to bear in mind is that if he does sell it on, things could get > very awkward if the buyer spots the problem, before or after the purchase - > he could find himself charged with handling stolen goods. Unlikely... especially if he bought the bike from a tracable source / has a receipt / invoice for it. -- JackH
From: stephen.packer on 28 Jun 2010 02:56 The Older Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > But what would you do? Anyone? It would depend on my plans for the bike. If I had planned to keep it until it dies then I'd just ignore this and get on with it (being careful about where I got it MOTd). I wouldn't punt it out to someone on eBay; that's simply not 'right'. I probably wouldn't trade it into a shop since that would multiply the chances of it being found (people in the shop, new buyer etc.) I might break it if it worried me a lot. I might go to the police since if they couldn't trace the 'rightful' owner (insurance co.) then it would surely end up as mine legitimately... however this has a high chance of failure since even though the frame number's been fixed I wonder if the engine number has been? I had a car stolen in the 80s (Astra SRi). It turned up at the auctions with a four year older plate on it. The ringers had apparently targetted two cars, one they burnt (older) and then bought from the salvage company and one they stole and restamped the VIN. One car through the ringing process, two people messed around. They didn't change the engine number and when the auction house thought the VIN looked 'funny' and called in the police, the police checked the engine number and caught the fuckers (local garage, other stolen cars found in the premises).
From: Champ on 28 Jun 2010 04:04 On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:16:26 +0000 (UTC), crn(a)NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote: >wessie <putmynamehere(a)tesco.net> wrote: >> >> as matey has had the bike for 18 months I imagine the DVLA system sees >> it as a legit bike i.e. the stolen bike was given the identity of a >> damaged bike. Possibly something on TPFT weighed in for scrap, sold at a >> salvage auction or a bike used on a track. >It is quite possibly a semi-legitimate case of a previous owner having >bent the bike and transferred his original numbers onto a secondhand >frame. That's not the way you do it, tho, is it. If you bend your bike and buy a second-hand frame, then you use the V5 and registration number of *that* frame. -- Champ We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: TOG on 28 Jun 2010 04:08 On 28 June, 07:38, "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: > "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1jkrmoe.9ymmvze08va4N%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk... > > > > > A mate has got a nice bike. Used, a few years old, invery good order. > > Not saying what it is, for reasons that will become obvious. And as I > > walked past it, in late evening sunshine, something about the VIN plate > > riveted to the frame caught my eye. > > > It was just reflecting too much light from the stamped letters. Not the > > plate, but the letters themselves. And I looked closer. Hm. The numbers > > seemed to have been stamped in just a bit too heavily. > > > OK, onto the headstock. And oh deary deary dear. After the first > > half-dozen generic serial numbers/letters, the numbers display a minor, > > but tell-tale, variation in size and spacing. > > > It's a ringer. Absolutely 100% sure. It's been ringed well, and a casual > > glance at the headstock wouldn't show anything amiss. It was only > > because I was a tad suspicious that I got really up close and personal, > > and could see it. > > > So what to do? He's had the bike maybe 18 months. Possibly a bit longer. > > I think it was an eBay purchase. > > > Sell it now, fast, and move on was my (probably unethical) advice. I > > doubt that 99% of purchasers would spot anything amiss and it will > > continue to circulate on the roads until it gets scrapped. > > > But what would you do? Anyone? > > Morally, declaring it is the right thing to do, but like most people I'm > sure I'd have second thoughts about this depending on how much it was going > to cost me. > > One thing to bear in mind is that if he does sell it on, things could get > very awkward if the buyer spots the problem, before or after the purchase - > he could find himself charged with handling stolen goods. > Yes. My own belief is that the chances of someone else spotting the ring are very, very small. Certainly no MoT tester has. Were I in his shoes, I'd just unload it and keep my fingers crossed. Or keep on riding it until it's utterly dead, and keep my fingers crossed.
From: TOG on 28 Jun 2010 04:08
On 28 June, 07:43, JackH <jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:12 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > > Gentleman) wrote: > > But what would you do? Anyone? > > Not a good situation to be in. > > Your friend has several options, some which will almost certainly lead > to them ending up out of pocket, and some which won't... although you > wouldn't want to shout about the latter on a public medium such as an > NG, IMHO. > > Does this friend exist, or are you doing some research for a new > article? ;-) > Oh, purely hypothetical. Should have said. |