From: Andy Bonwick on
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:14:40 +0000 (UTC), "Krusty"
<dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> So what to do? He's had the bike maybe 18 months. Possibly a bit
>> longer. I think it was an eBay purchase.
>>
>> Sell it now, fast, and move on was my (probably unethical) advice. I
>> doubt that 99% of purchasers would spot anything amiss and it will
>> continue to circulate on the roads until it gets scrapped.
>>
>> But what would you do? Anyone?
>
>Tell the police. Selling it would put him in the same pond as the scum
>who stole it in the first place, as he'd potentially be knowingly
>stealing whatever he sells it for from the buyer if it gets seized
>later.

What are your views on people who sell frames that are totally fucked
but because they've got the correct documentation they're worth decent
money?

I've sold a frame that was so badly twisted that you couldn't get the
tank to sit straight and I cut the engine out of it but I needed the
money to buy another bike after smashing that one up so ignored the
fact that the reg number would be on a stolen bike within weeks.

I'm not the only poster here who's taken the cash and ignored reality
btw.
From: Steve on
On 28 June, 21:54, Andy Bonwick <nos...(a)bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

> I'm not the only poster here who's taken the cash and ignored reality
> btw.

As have most people who've bought a bargain part on Ebay really....
From: Pip Luscher on
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:23:45 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil"
<totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 28 June, 11:30, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>Hm. Well, he's going to hang onto the bike for the foreseeable, he
>says. Hypothetically.
>
>I'm still surprised how few people check, really check, engine and
>chassis numbers when they buy used vehicles.
>
>Show of hands time - who does it, each and every time, carefully? Or
>am I the only one? Lozzo, I'll bet you do.

I certainly do; it's the last check I make before handing over the
cash. There have been a couple of bikes where the
/engine/ number was hidden (I think a jellymould CBR600 was one) and I
didn't check it.

I've only once seen a restamped number and that was on a replacement
engine I bought for my FZR when I blew it up. In that case the engine
number was bleeding obviously not original. Unfortunately I only
spotted it a day or so after I got it home. It would have been a four
hour round trip to return the damn thing even if the seller had
accepted it.

I usually HPI check bikes, too, but often I only remember to after
I've paid a deposit, so I don't usually get the HPI warranty. My main
reason for checking is in case there is any record of ownership
issues; having to splash out more than expected to fix wear or crash
damage is annoying, but having a vehicle repossessed or impounded
would be devastating.


--
-Pip
From: steve robinson on
frag wrote:

> Hear Yea! Hear Yea!
> On 27 Jun 2010 22:54:57 GMT, Lozzo writ...
> >
> > frag wrote:
> >
> > > Seriously, isn't there someone on here who can check the police
> > > computers to see if it has been nicked or if it's legit?
> >
> > But... the numbers it has now will check out fine, it's the
> > unknown numbers it had previously that won't. How do you find
> > those out and keep possession of the bike?
>
> The numbers it has now are on two bikes, right?
>
> So I'm guessing that as far as the owner of the legit bike (with
> those numbers) is concerned, to them it'll seem like someone has
> re-registered their bike, a new owner, as if they've sold it.
>
> So they won't now get any tax reminders will they?
>
> I imagine they will have queried this by now, and so DVLA will have
> flagged that bikes details as cloned, reverted the V5 back to the
> legit owner, and when the cloned bike goes for its next MOT it'll
> set alarms off somewhere.
>
> But, yes, you are right in that it's the original numbers that are
> needed to establish which nicked bike it is.
>
> Actually, if the police cannot establish the bikes true identity,
> they can't return it to it's legal owner (the ins. co.), so don't
> they let the new owner keep it in those cases? ISTR hearing that
> somewhere. (probably on here so a load of crock :)

When a freind of my wife had a similar situation with a car the
police allowed her to keep it (registered keeper) but she was not
allowed to sell it , she also had to notify the insurance company
that she wasnt the legal owner , come next renewal they hiked the
premuims up so high she couldnt afford to keep it on the road
From: SIRPip on
Pip Luscher wrote:

> VIN number

<slap>

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